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Stan,
Not to marginalize your point about regulation, but my biggest concern in the last few years has been non-tox shot capable Guns. Here in California, they are most of the way thru their phased elimination of lead. I havent seriously explored solutions for my 410s, since I was not hunting much in California.
Maybe this is an opportunity for picking up a few shortened barrel guns without choke for shooting steel
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Yeah I agree with Stan's point about regulation and the "3 day non firing" policy of most sellers.
That said my biggest growing concern is what Chuck H. said. Shooting non-tox capable guns and/or finding the right non-tox shells for my guns - without making alterations to my guns like opening up the chokes and so forth.
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That said my biggest growing concern is what Chuck H. said. Shooting non-tox capable guns and/or finding the right non-tox shells for my guns - without making alterations to my guns like opening up the chokes and so forth.
I don't always get the concern with opening chokes, other than on vintage guns that are very collectible and have the chokes marked on the flats (or you have a factory letter). Most vintage doubles, especially American ones, tended to be choked pretty tight. While I'd prefer to find one with the chokes I want--almost always more open than M/F--I won't hesitate to have them altered to best suit the kind of hunting I do.
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Chuck is right, but, always a but. I had a Berretta Silver Hawk that the barrels were shortened. It made a great skeet gun, and broke long targets at wobble trap. It would blow steel patterns so bad you could throw a pheasant through them unscathed at25 yds. ymmv
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Stan,
Not to marginalize your point about regulation, but my biggest concern in the last few years has been non-tox shot capable Guns. Here in California, they are most of the way thru their phased elimination of lead. I havent seriously explored solutions for my 410s, since I was not hunting much in California.
Maybe this is an opportunity for picking up a few shortened barrel guns without choke for shooting steel Your reply is not marginalizing it at all, Chuck. I asked a question, and you provided a cogent answer. It is one I had not considered, not having to deal with that particular problem myself. Thanks, for reminding us that y'all are going through a dog mess out there. SRH
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Yeah I agree with Stan's point about regulation and the "3 day non firing" policy of most sellers.
That said my biggest growing concern is what Chuck H. said. Shooting non-tox capable guns and/or finding the right non-tox shells for my guns - without making alterations to my guns like opening up the chokes and so forth. Shoot Bismuth and they'll be no need for any concern in any gun.
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Yeah I agree with Stan's point about regulation and the "3 day non firing" policy of most sellers.
That said my biggest growing concern is what Chuck H. said. Shooting non-tox capable guns and/or finding the right non-tox shells for my guns - without making alterations to my guns like opening up the chokes and so forth. Shoot Bismuth and they'll be no need for any concern in any gun. jOe are you sure about that? Even in Full choke barrels? Thanks!
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My experience with Bismuth on pheasants was so dismal I gave away all I had. About $200 worth of the stuff. Were the older loads that came in the Green boxes and I do not remember the manufacturer. Perhaps the newer loadings are better?
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Stan,
Not to marginalize your point about regulation, but my biggest concern in the last few years has been non-tox shot capable Guns. Here in California, they are most of the way thru their phased elimination of lead. I havent seriously explored solutions for my 410s, since I was not hunting much in California.
Maybe this is an opportunity for picking up a few shortened barrel guns without choke for shooting steel Steel???? Go with the Tungsten Matrix and never look back.
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1cdog, I have been loading bismuth for years and shooting it out of my Fox doubles, including my HE grade which has .042"-.043" choke in each barrel. It kills mallards like lightning. The only thing I can tell that is fractured is duck bones.
SRH
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