Uhh, sorry Stan. To make it worse about half were 3" buffered loads. Ouch. The ones I shot were 2 3/4" ounce and a quarter loads. And these were on planted birds for an old dog's last hunt. Is / was the only time I have ever "hunted" a preserve. The old girl had a terrific time, though. This was about 8 or 9 years ago. I found one of the old boxes and they are dark green and they are labeled "The Bismuth Cartridge Company" out of California. I probably purchased them in 2003 or 2004.