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While Brownells has touted their Acraglas epoxy bedding compound as both a filler and finish for gunstocks, the use of clear epoxies for finishes is very uncommon. Are you certain that Perazzi or Beretta even use epoxy to finish their stocks?
Most epoxies begin to soften at temperatures over 160 degrees or so. The temperature used in the hot oil bending method usually exceeds that, so any epoxy that is built up on the surface of the wood could be deformed or damaged as pressure is applied in the bending jig. I was also under the impression that the stock is left clamped in the bending jig for at least 2-3 hours to slowly cool and hopefully minimize spring-back.
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Perazzi did & according to a recent review of the DC12 by Michael Yardley still does use a lacquer type finish. About 20 years ago I had the late Jack Rowe bend an MX8 for increased cast off & you couldn't tell it had been bent.
Years later I saw a video of Jack's method of bending stocks which involved wrapping the wrist of the stock with rags soaked in linseed oil & applying heat with a blowtorch until he could get the stock to move by pulling it with his hands in the desired direction & then blocking in position it & allowing it to cool.
Jack did an excellent job but I would have been a bit concerned if I had first seen the video.
I don't know what type of finish Beretta uses but I have watched a gunsmith @ the Grand bend Beretta stocks using nothing more than heat lamps on the wrist & was amazed at how pliable the stock became when heated. I do not know if this caused any issues with the finish.
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Perazzi did & according to a recent review of the DC12 by Michael Yardley still does use a lacquer type finish. About 20 years ago I had the late Jack Rowe bend an MX8 for increased cast off & you couldn't tell it had been bent.
Years later I saw a video of Jack's method of bending stocks which involved wrapping the wrist of the stock with rags soaked in linseed oil & applying heat with a blowtorch until he could get the stock to move by pulling it with his hands in the desired direction & then blocking in position it & allowing it to cool.
Jack did an excellent job but I would have been a bit concerned if I had first seen the video.
I don't know what type of finish Beretta uses but I have watched a gunsmith @ the Grand bend Beretta stocks using nothing more than heat lamps on the wrist & was amazed at how pliable the stock became when heated. I do not know if this caused any issues with the finish.
This is encouraging. I'll see my smith in the new year and see what he says.
Thanks everyone.
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Perazzi may use a lacq type finish in the Euro market but the stocks here that I've stripped have been anything but. Not quite the epoxy level but mucho robust. I can't tell you how far back that goes but I'd be guessing mid-80's at least. The older stocks strip easier but they still don't look or wear like any lacq finish. Same goes for Beretta. That's all FWIW since I'm no finish expert by any means.
the hot tip I have heard is that TruOil is very favored by Italian gunmakers on high end goods. Seems like I read that in something by Nobili. So fancy varnish.
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A friend who attends the state trap shoots told me about it seeing how he knew I bend stocks for myself. He also said there was no guarantee about breakage. I heat mine with heat lamps and oil and it takes longer than a hour. Just reread my first post. I shouldn't have said " in a hour or two " because my friend only implied it was done quickly. My question to him was about through bolt guns seeing how I've only done old SxS's without a through bolt. If some are doing modern trap guns I would think they doing all types of finishes.
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