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I had the luck to spend some time with the late Giovanni Metelli, head of the Beretta premium gun department. His view was that each generation of SO guns was an improvement, contraty to the common view that older is better.
The SO design is the only high end OU I have encountered that manages to incorporate side reinforcement, in the form of the replaceable shoulders, that keeps the action narrow as well as shallow. Compare the width of an SO with any "Boss" design to see the difference. It is one of the best OU sidelocks ever built.
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It is one of the best OU sidelocks ever built.
It is a very well built gun - no doubt, and looks beautiful. To actually shoot a sidelock o/u I prefer the Merkel 303 - mainly for it's faster handling and lighter weight. In my view the SO wins on looks, but the Merkel on handling
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Often the SO designation is engraved on the trigger guard. The older Berettas don't have this kind of standard marking. The older S2 and S3 guns contained the model designation. The S3ELs and S3EELLs from the 1970s have a serial number on the trigger guard. I'm not sure when/if Beretta standardized the trigger guard designation marking. I also have the old thread from 2004 with the SO discussion, but is a pdf file and I don't know how to post it. Anyone have any ideas? Ken
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Just looked at an S3EL at a very attractive price. It has some issues, most of which appear to be minor. From the 50's I think, with cocking indicators. Straight grip, 28" barrels, tight chokes. Pretty clearly a field gun. I'm not an OU guy, but I may take a chance on this one, take care of the minor issues and, if I don't like it, pass it on to someone who does. Very nice SNST when I tried it. Standard inertia variety.
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I recently bought an S3EL for a good price because it has a straight English stock and double triggers. That is the profile I prefer and it is also what kept the price down compared to its ST brethren.
Unlike later heavier SOs this 12 bore with 28” tubes from 1969 handles great. Even with the leather cover pad I added to bring the LOP out to 15”, the total weight is only 7’ 6”. Came with Briley thin wall chokes already installed. CG is 4” forward of the front trigger at the hinge pin.
Happy camper I am! Dr. p
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Often the SO designation is engraved on the trigger guard. The older Berettas don't have this kind of standard marking. The older S2 and S3 guns contained the model designation. The S3ELs and S3EELLs from the 1970s have a serial number on the trigger guard. I'm not sure when/if Beretta standardized the trigger guard designation marking. I also have the old thread from 2004 with the SO discussion, but is a pdf file and I don't know how to post it. Anyone have any ideas? Ken My S3EELL is a 1962 model and the trigger guard has neither the serial number nor the model/grade---my trigger guard is relatively short probably because of the pistol grip. The model and grade appear on the top of the action and on the underside of the barrels.
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CBill, S Tonnecelli was a Beretta master engraver. Here's another example of his work. Ken
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Lovely, with the straight hand stock and double triggers. Almost all seen in the UK are single trigger pistol grip which is such a shame.
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A side lock Beretta o/u is one of the few shotguns I still have a desire for. Incredible quality for the price of a used one. I, too, would prefer a straight stock double trigger gun. What a wonderful pheasant gun on the plains. Regards, Jeff
"We are men of action. Lies do not become us." Wesley
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CBill, S Tonnecelli was a Beretta master engraver. Here's another example of his work. Ken The engraving pattern is similar but not identical to mine---same engraver as yours---I understand that he died prematurely and thus did not engrave a lot of guns---is your gun an early 60's gun as well?. Your gun has gold pins, mine does not. Yours has a pierced top lever, mine does not. Yours has a double trigger, mine is a single trigger. Yours is a straight stock, mine is pistol grip. I'm sure my gun was intended as a trap gun as it is 8 lbs with a slightly higher comb than would a conventional hunting gun. The workmanship on these EELL guns is incredible---a sleeper on the market, in my opinion. A quick web search shows several Fracassi engraved guns that command a considerable premium vs similar guns by lesser known engravers. In due course I will get pics to share with all. Bill
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