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I called local BATF office for help in recovering my Model 12. They told me is was not their problem. Suggested I call local police.
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I'm so relieved that my threats last year were successful in getting my field grade skeet choked model 42 given to me by my step father prior to his passing. A four month job ended up taking a full 13 months with the last 6 months of no returned phone calls. My last message to Andy was to fully warn him that my next phone call was going to be to the local AG office. I received the gun one week later. I would have driven 18 hours to his front door for that gun, I'm glad it worked out. I can't imagine if it hadn't. I hope all that are affected have happing endings.  
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Mark - please Email me concerning the August 11th shoot - sorry for the hijack.
Mine's a tale that can't be told, my freedom I hold dear.
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I doubt anyone on this site will shed a tear if I drink myself silly, gamble my way to the poor house or cheat my way to a date with the IRS – why Andy. Actually I bet almost all of us would shed more than a tear if you were one of our close friends. I suspect that most of us have had someone that we loved and cared about make devastating bad choices. The fact that it was their own doing does not make it easy on those that care for the person. It can be a heart wrenching, kick in the gut. It is not like you can just shrug your shoulders, turn your back, and walk away as though the person never meant anything. At least not if they were ever your friend in the first place.
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Want a reason to show compassion, love and understanding – go to a cancer ward, a veteran’s hospital, a battered women’s center … there is a difference. There is quite a difference. In the one case it is easy to show compassion (and thus, perhaps, no great virtue.) It a good thing to love and understand those who have done no wrong. All but the lowest among us do that. It is quite another thing to show love to those who have harmed us - our enemies. That is truly difficult. Some people feel called to attempt to try. None of this says that anyone should avoid punishment or consequence.
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. . . and all men play many roles.
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Latest report. Just spoke with Utica PD. It seems they, and the NY State Police are going to allow Andy some leeway in resolving his problems. There are some issues to be resolved, but Andy has promised to try to get all the guns returned to their owners.
Asked me to wait a week or two for results. If no good news, then contact Utica PD.
We MIGHT get our guns back afterall.
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One can only hope that Andy, or whoever did his books, kept track of every incoming and outgoing firearm to his shop. If so, that should be enough proof of ownership, and should give the shop a place to return the firearms to. Now, the key question is, what exactly is going on at his shop? If he is being shut down by the BATFE, then he will have to send customers firearms back to where they were shipped from. How quickly he sends each fiearm back is probably dependent on how much you pester him to send it to you. If I sent a firearm to his shop, I would try to get a hold of them to find out what exactly is going on. If you cannot get a hold of the shop, do a google search for the police post in his town and give them a call, asking if they know anything and can help you get your firearm back. Chances are we will probably never know the entire story. Its a damn shame if you ask me.
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Andy was not shut down by the BATF. It was his creditors. BATF is not involved. He is currently locked out of his shop. Will have to make arrangements with creditors, which he is trying to do. He has promised Utica PD he will try to return guns, PD will monitor situation as best they can. Asked me to wait a week or two to see if Andy keeps promise to return guns. If no returned gun then contact Utica PD.
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