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MickeyD, I don't have a gun with Andy but I'd bet those that do would like to have the Utica PD's number.

If Andy is having a cash problem --- there's another problem he'll face and that's the heavy shipping cost. As I ship every week, I can tell you that the cost can get very heavy ! I'm told that he has his place stacked up with guns from as far back as 1 1/2 years . Seems he'll have to float a loan to pay for shipping. Good luck to him on getting out of this mess & I hope it's due to anything other than bad character/fraud. FWIW, Ken

With respect, I don't think shipping cost is an issue at this point. The owner are just glad to get their guns back and will paid a little more for the service, that said, send it as a call-tag, which is return item prepaid and any major carrier offer this service.

I think I would just wait until all is said and done before I would make any judgement calls. I can't believe Andy, with all of his followers would defraud so many people intentionally. And Jeff, as I understand it, there were two matting machines left from the old Winchester plant. Andy got one and I believe the other went to Galazans. Now whether or not they still have it.........

Jimmy,

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate the information.

Shoot straight,

Bird

If customers, the Utica PD, Andy, anyone, needs assistance in sorting, packing, proving ownership, I would be willing to assist. No, this is not a free service, but I am available. PM to inquire. I don't think I will have trouble getting references through this site. If Andy hires me, I will not work for customers. If customers hire me, I will not work for Andy.

I don't know if this is feasible; but, if enough of us who have a gun at Andy's contributed to a "Recovery Fund" we might collect enough money to pay for sorting, packing, and shipping.

Any thoughts?

LOL....You want to work for someone who seems to be rather tight on funds right now? Then again, maybe he can pay you with cash he stole from his customers....

I do not have any guns at Andy's so I guess I do not have a major problem. But I hate to see anyone in such a tight spot. If you have ever seen or run a business that just died a slow death your heart can go out to him. You live on a cash flow, it slows down, you start doing things that you would never do under normal situations then it just snowballs. Some here can tell what it is like to live this nightmare. A few lucky ones managed to pull their business through the rough times and fail to remember what it was like to dread the mailman or hate the phone calls from banks, creditors or even friends.

I understand that Andy has had some major health problems and then on top of that his father passed not long ago. Easy to figure out how a good person could get into a difficult situation like he apparently is in at this time. If you have never been in such a tight spot you should consider yourself blessed.

I for one, as many others here hope that Andy can pull himself out of this mess. A reputation is a hard thing to rebuild. Guess it shows how hard it is to stay afloat as a gunsmith these days. The wolf is never far from the door.

KYJon, Well stated!