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Businesses fail for lots of reasons. It ain't easy out there! It could be a personal problem or even an employee problem. If he gets your guns back he has not harmed his reputation. If he is young enough at heart he can fix it and start again and I am sure he will get many of those guns back to fix.
So many guns, so little time!
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Just spoke with the Oneida County Sherriff's Department. There are no Criminal or Civil precedures pending involving Andy's Custom Shop. The Utica PD is involved. They told me Andy is trying to arrange financing to pay back rent so he can reopen the shop and return the guns. Last Friday they asked me to give Andy a week or so to get reorganized. Told me to call if there were no results after that time.
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At this point, nothing will come easy. Even with ample secured assets, financing will look for expectations of cash flow, and returning guns is activity on the expense side of the ledger.
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Sounds like a stand up kind of guy trying to do the right thing. Give him a break. He has been a very valuable person who has helped more than one person and fixed more than one almost hopeless basket case gun. If I get the chance to send him some business in the future I certainly will.
I may sound like a broken record on this issue, but I am speaking from close personal experience on this matter. Two people I know went down this road. One, I was able to help out at the time and he made it and is still doing well. The second person did not make it. I, like many others, never knew how bad it was for him and he lost everything. We knew things were tight but he never let us know how bad they were. He lost his business, his house, his wife and in the end he killed himself. I do not know if I or others could have helped him enough to save his business and his life but the thought never leaves me when I think about him and his family.
Some people seem to enjoy others in distress or in failure. Makes them feel like more of a success or a winner in life. Makes them look more a small minded looser to me. FWIW
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A stand up guy trying to do the right thing? The opportunity for that came and went long ago.
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Sounds like a stand up kind of guy trying to do the right thing. Give him a break. ... Some people seem to enjoy others in distress or in failure. Makes them feel like more of a success or a winner in life. Makes them look more a small minded looser to me. FWIW KY Jon - Is this a comment on my post? I meant only that Andy's obviously in great difficulty. My personal experience with him was 100% positive. I really wish him well, hope he can recover, make things right with his customers, and save his business. Jay
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We're all hoping for a happy ending from this sordid mess, and... I don't think anyone's getting off on Andy's problems KY Jon.
Sometimes the small minded looser, is really the broad minded one!
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I guess it is an East coast thing. I have never heard of him. Turnbull is the one most usually go to that I know.
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Gunflint Charlie
I was not directing a comment to you or any others on this broad. Please do not think that I am directly or indirectly making some snide post about your post. I am just saying that we have very limited information, mostly second, third or fourth hand information. I also wish him well and hope he can make it.
My own post is about two people I knew who went through problems and one made it and one did not. In fact one killed himself, he was so depressed and felt he was such a failure. A tragic loss of a decent fellow who maybe was not the best business man in the world.
To his customers, I expect that those who have decent records of their guns will get their guns back. Pays to keep good records. If you do not have any proof of ownership that might get a bit tricky. Never heard of any claims he has sold or disposed of anyones guns. So if the guns are in his shop, the rightful owners should be able to get their guns back.
Lowell Glenthorne
If you read a few post on this and other BBS that are talking about this you might suspect that a few people are not that broad minded. Small minds like to see others fail. It makes their failures less different and their few success seem even greater. To be fair, they mostly shoot Autos and O/U, so their brains have been damaged by recoil and weird guns. Sane, double shooters, tend to be a little more open minded and wait to see what happens before they scream the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
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