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I was going to post the earlier then just figured I would ignore LG as I usually do(adds nothing that I can see just takes away from this fine board) but the long ago saying so fits !

"Its always a thief who thinks he is getting robbed!"

Lowell you ever noticed how people want to defend someone when they have nothing at stake...


I bet if they had a gun in the same shop they would be singing a different tune.

Homeless - Please reread my post. I'm only defending the small businessmen as a group of people that we, as a country, could use more of. Lowell seems to think that ALL small businessmen are crooks because he's known a few that were. Since I am an honest small businessman, Lowell's comment is a very personal insult directed at me and millions of others he's never met. I could make insulting comments about you and Lowell, but since I don't know either of you, I have no reason to do so and I wouldn't lower myself to do it. Andy's case will, in my opinion, will have to stand on its own. Leave the other small businessmen out of it.

Well, I'm a small businessman so I guess Lowell also has a low opinion of me. Looks like I'm a thief too. There goes my rep. LOL, Ken

Bfrench I wasn't referring to you.

I think it's fair to say small businessmen are no more or less honorable than big businessmen.

Our country use more small businessmen? That's a dead end argument. It's like saying our country could use more African-Americans in office. It clouds the issue with issues that have nothing to do with what's really important. Our country could use more ethical businessmen, big or small.

Greg - I agree with you 100%. I was merely referring to my (and many of my friends') feelings about the "I could care less" attitude presented by many (not all)of the employees of many (not all) of the large chain stores I try not to patronize. Attitudes such as those will put a small business under in nothing flat. I expect to be treated like a store wants and appreciates my business. If they don't want my business, that's fine. I won't be back. I'm just tired of being treated like sh*t when I offer to give someone my business (read hard earned money). That's why I say we need more small businsses. It's not like I think we need to set a quota or anything.

UPDATE: I have three guns at Andys. I believe in data generally in making decisions.
1. Andy is a great, not good, but great smith. He has done outstanding work in the past.
2. The police in Utica, we have talked to them, do not believe that Andy is trying to run off with our guns. They are working with Andy to get him access to his old building to get our guns back.
3. Andy has both health and personal issues. I do not know the extent of them and do believe that there are significant issues that are impeding him from his appointed task. He is either getting divorced or is seperated from his wife. Andy is currently living and working in an outlying area from Utica with no phone service. Upstate NY is a very rural place afterall.
4. I am going to Utica on Friday to retrieve my guns, I hope, and will report back. The police are trying to get the release of our guns so that we can get the repaired. I never gave Andy deposits because he had worked on so many of my guns in the past.
5. All this said there is clearly something wrong. My past experiences go back nearly a decade and he has always been reliable. The past 24 months he has been erratic and hard to reach. There are clearly personal, business, and health issues that are causing some issues.

That is what I know and believe given my interaction with Andy, the police and such. If anyone has a gun I have hope that they will get returned. This is a mess that is for sure. I hope Andy the best but I would like to see him follow through on his commitments.

Regards, Huntersdad.

Anyone that thinks we need more african-Americans in office should take a look at Memphis Tn. City Government.

Almost all the black city council have been indicted for something the black mayor is a crook even had a black female drug dealer working for him.

It's a wonder Memphis Tn....is still on the map.

Is Andy black by any chance ?

We here nip at the heels of dealers who send guns with less condition than advertised, we want names named if pure junk.
If your next gun doesn't meet your expectations, don't think your being ripped off by small business - its just an artistic difference of opinion you've had with the boss.