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No, haven't read that, as yet, but do know that the square bolt was not used by very many as it is very difficult to do and takes a lot of skillful handwork. Lindner used it exclusively so it must have been the better way to go, if quality were the idea.
The square bolt could not be machined as the round one could. Large volume makers needed to keep the round bolt for the round hole.:}
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Graham Greener in his book states that the "The Trap Gun" model in doll's head or square bolt persuasion was considered an "inexpensive model" at ten guineas. I don't think Mr. Greener means to disparage the model, only to give information. "The Trap Gun" models I have seen in high condition have been very nice, substantial guns in my opinion, regardless of their place in the hierarchy of early Greener manufacture. My doll's head and square bolt Lindners are quite nice also.
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Can you imagine what a hand built damascus gun of his "lower quality" range would cost today.
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No, but we could ask John Mann. To be honest, yes, I think we know what Graham Greener is getting for his Damascus guns today. Was it an article in this month's SS?
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It costs close to thirty thousand dollars to build a new gun as these guys did and of fine quality using the very best materials.Then you can add the cost of engraving, checkering marketing. This is the cost in Europe and then you have to import it.
The costs involved have increased about 25/35% in the past three years.
Hope this throws some light on why true hand built guns cost so much.
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It is why I am such awe of these amazing artifacts of another time. For instance, these trap guns were aimed at a middle class market. Even Greener today is using barrels built a century ago on its new damascus guns. I wonder what the cost point would be if they were twisting those barrel blanks themselves (provided there were a team of three guys with a hammer in the world who actually still knew how to do it). Even if a set of machinery could be built to do it, I wonder what that little R&D project would run. They are treasures. It also goes to the heart why I have from time to time been willing to put up double the "value" of an occasional special piece in having it restored. False economy by any rational measure, but a bargain as well. Again, enjoy that gun.
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