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Say friends, I was reading some artical at my doctors office on the Winchester model 21 of day past and the new CSMC model 21. In short, the artical lead the reader to conclude CSMC model 21 was better built gun and value. I think the magazine was a older gun dog magazine or it may have been a quick article in guns on pegs. But non the less. Anyone else agree with better gun and value. I honestly don't know what to think.

Rich

Having never owned an original Winchester 21, nor a CSMC 21, I am a poor, poor judge. But, that said, in many years of messing around with double guns, the number of defects that I am personally aware of with Winchester manufactured 21s, compared to the number of defects with CSMC manufactured 21s, has led me to believe strongly that the CSMC guns are nowhere near the quality gun that the Winchester was/is. I know of a man who returned a CSMC 21 fourteen times to CSMC to have defects, and damage done by them while they were trying to fix defects, repaired and made right, only to finally give up and after a year and a half sell the gun for 60% of purchase price.

Personally, based strictly on anecdotal evidence, I don't think there is any contest. The Winchester is the better gun hands down, IMO.

SRH

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The Win. M21 is an artifact of a bygone era of gunmaking in the US. The CSMC version is a replica of that era. The distinction can make a difference in both purchase and resale price. Gil

You'll hear mixed reviews on the CSMC 21's, per the above. I've owned 3 original 21's, all early double trigger/extractor guns. One remained in its original factory condition. The other two had had various modifications: restocked, custom engraving, etc. I didn't have any problems with any of the 3.

That being said, I saw problems with original 21's at the old UP SxS shoot, including one on which the stock basically self-destructed when it doubled during the flurry event. No gun is totally bulletproof, I guess.

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I once saw a CSM 21 that had maybe 3/16" of solder between the muzzles. The gun was otherwise well fit and finished, and seemed to function without issue, but that muzzle thing seemed off to me inasmuch as I can't recall having seen that condition on a Winchester.

For what it costs for a new-made 21, a person can go out and buy an awful lot of original gun.

I wonder if the CSMC 21�s will ever be collectibles like the originals?? Maybe, maybe not.

I think the CSMC 21's are best suited to fondle and admire. and brag about having when you get a chance to show one off, either in front of your shooting buddies or on an internet site, rather than shooting to any extent. Lou @ CSMC discouraged me from ordering one several years ago.
JR

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