BrentD, the real point is that this is not a true BV1 gun. Its a Birmy gun with a BV1 retailers name on it. Buy the gun, not the name on it. They did not make this, they only retailed it. At best they bought it in the white. They sent it out for engraving like every other maker. Might have finished it or might have done nothing on it at all. Proof marks might tell. So why pay Bobcat prices for that Pinto? Never figured Bobcat bragging rights were that important.