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For whatever reason, the British don't seem to have produced many sxs with what most shooters today would consider excessive drop--even back when 3" DAH was very common on guns made in the States. Vintage British hammerguns often fit American shooters without much in the way of stock modification. Not sure why the difference between their side of the pond and ours. Larry, I think it falls back to the type shooting they did. Driven game and Waterfowl = overhead shots = straighter stock dimensions to maintain sight picture down the tubes. John
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It is pretty easy to accommodate a little too much drop, not so much too little drop. Most Italian O/Us have too little for me. Beretta is the exception. DAC is more important than DAH, but in most cases too little DAH means too little DAC. Too little drop and I have to float the bird, and that is a recipe for poor shooting.
I handled three of CSMC's Revelations yesterday. All had perfect drop for me. I think Lou said they were 2 3/8" at the heel, but the catalog says 2 1/2". Anyway, it was a fit for me.
SRH I measured my new Revelation it had 1 1/2" drop at comb and 2 1/2" drop at heel. Perfect for me and with the thin comb, I need no cast.
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Those dimentions noted 2 1/2x1 1/2, seem to fit most shooters, and works for me.
Karl
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Thanks so much for all the responses. I now feel like maybe I'm not such an odd duck...
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Illustrative collection of live action target and live bird shooting from the 30s-60s http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/vintage-live-action-trap-and-live-bird-shooting.514889/ The problem with still photos is that the shooters are almost always in the 'ready position' with the head off the stock. Not sure why there are 2 gentlemen, 2 yards apart, as I have not come across any reports of "head-to-head" or 2 man pigeon competitions at Monte Carlo. Note the far shooter is wearing a glove on his forward hand. Not enough resolution to say, but the near shooting sure looks to be using a Parker Trojan?? I had one 12g once with 2 1/2" chambers and British proofmarks  More images from Monte Carlo here http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/24800261
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Of my two Parker repros, the 20 was perfect, but the 12 comb seemed at least a quarter inch too high.
I took the 12 to a well known double gun shop where they used heated oil to bend the stock to fit me and it now fits perfectly.
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Field shooting for me is a quick, haphazard affair. I cannot recall having ever been mindful of cheek weld, follow-through, or any of the fine points of shooting that I otherwise aspire to. In that mode, when the face may not be firmly on the comb, or even touching, a generous amount of drop may serve the shooter well. Many were the day when I would wrap things up, pleasantly surprised with my performance using a gun with archaic dimensions.
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Those dimentions noted 2 1/2x1 1/2, seem to fit most shooters, and works for me.
Karl The gun I shoot best with is 2 5/8 x 1 1/2 Made in 1916. O.M
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moses, 2 5/8" to 2 3/4" is about right for me on most guns, too.
Drew, I'll bet that pic from Monte Carlo was posed, and not a pic of actual competition. I've never heard of an event where two guns were shooting pigeons at the same time. Cyril mentions nothing in his great new book about that, either.
Remember that, unless a shotgun has a parallel comb, the drop at face will increase the longer you make the LOP. I have many guns that didn't have quite enough drop for me until I added 1/2" to 3/4" to the pull. That, effectively, moves your cheek farther to the rear which increases the drop. Adding a Kick Killer leather lace-on pad, with 1/2" thickness of pad, has made the difference for me on many guns.
All my best, SRH
May God bless America and those who defend her.
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