Brent, I also have problems with the "killers". My opinion on the subject is that very very few people who grew up hunting fit in the "killer" category. To me most of them seem to be people that are new to hunting and/or just want to get something from it that most hunter don't want or need. i.e. their name in the "book", to fit in with a crowd that they just have to be in, or they were introduced to hunting incorrectly. Some of these can be fixed, unfortunately some can't.