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Have there been any studies reflecting turkeys being a causation of the decline of grouse? Gil
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Thanks, all. Rare such unanimity on an issue.
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Turkeys are a pestilence. Do not allow them into your area. I wish they ad never been introduced into my farms. If I thought I could get rid of them I would shoot them on sight without remorse. Quail were at a level which were enough to hunt. Now they are almost completely gone. Where turkeys are quail are not around there.
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go with the Turkeys....they are bigger...easier to hit.....taste better...usually can hunt them in spring and fall..and all without a dog.....plus you only have to kill one a year to think yourself a man..... So true... Tell the group to go to hell turkeys weren't native there.
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Turkeys are a pestilence. Do not allow them into your area. I wish they ad never been introduced into my farms. If I thought I could get rid of them I would shoot them on sight without remorse. Quail were at a level which were enough to hunt. Now they are almost completely gone. Where turkeys are quail are not around there. That's some silly shit...quail were gone before the turkeys became abundant in Kentucky... Guess you were a sleep.
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Have there been any studies reflecting turkeys being a causation of the decline of grouse? Gil Gil, it's a complicated issue. Many of us have seen turkey numbers increase while grouse numbers decline in the same area. Habitat changes, more nest predators (like raccoons) due to a decrease in trapping pressure, the impact of West Nile virus on grouse . . . there are a lot of factors. But because turkeys are so common in areas where there were none relatively recently, it's easy to point the finger at them as the sole (or major) cause in the decline of grouse numbers. Game biologists will tell you that turkeys don't have a negative impact on grouse. And, in general, DNR's like to point to the reintroduction of wild turkeys as a modern day success story in wildlife management. (Turkey hunting is also in the best interest of state wildlife agencies, because there are special licenses involved, which = additional revenue.) But those same biologists didn't expect turkey numbers to explode the way they have . . . nor, for example, that turkeys would inhabit parts of the country (like northern WI/MN and the UP) where they either were not found historically or else were only present in very limited numbers. So it's gone beyond what they expected to see from the reintroduction. But turkeys are an overly simple explanation for what is almost certainly the more complex issue of declining grouse numbers.
Last edited by L. Brown; 05/28/18 10:36 AM.
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I'm surprised turkeys weren't rounded up as the usual suspects in 1932 in the Lindbergh Kidnapping. They seemed to get blamed for a lot of disappearances. Gil
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I'm surprised turkeys weren't rounded up as the usual suspects in 1932 in the Lindbergh Kidnapping. They seemed to get blamed for a lot of disappearances. Gil LOL...Geo
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to my knowledge, there have yet to be any reports of turkeys attacking human babies...however, if provided with the opportunity, they would most likely go for the eyes first...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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I've read here turkeys drive out ruffed grouse. A hunters' group is campaigning to introduce turkeys to Nova Scotia. Appreciate opinions of the US experience. Farmers are mostly against it but I don't know if it's for biological reasons or not wanting hunters on their lands. NS is good grouse country. I think that's best left to the Nova-Scotians. Your biologists are local and would be most familiar with you specific ecosystem. FWIW, I've never heard farmers complain about turkeys the way they do about deer or wild hogs...Geo
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