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Good work. I get in more trouble when I switch between guns with different stock dimensions. But, I still do it. I think it was Gough Thomas who said own one gun and never even shoulder or touch someone else's gun. I have a wife that those rules apply to. Not guns, so far, but, I can see the wisdom in it.
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Put a piece of skateboard tape on the butt to keep it from slipping.
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3" drop works for me...still hittin 18 out of 25...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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It's pretty hard for me to shoot anything with a big drop because the stock has to be settled into my shoulder pocket while the bird is in the air. That takes time, leads to barrel checking, etc. Not good for clean kills.
Essentially it feels different. Lots of squirming going on.
But then when you go pre-mount? NBD.
Pre-mount bears no resemblance to a dynamic style of shooting.
Heck, you could shoot 6" of drop if given enough time to squirm in behind it, and get your eye looking down the rib squarely.
If you practice with a modern gun to get pretty good, then grab a 3" dropper? Good luck.
Out there doing it best I can.
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I can shoot guns well with any amount of drop from about 2 1/2" DAH to 3" DAH. Most of my "modern guns" are in the 2 1/2" DAH range. One thing for certain........... for an all around hunting/sporting clays/skeet gun, the vast majority will shoot 3" DAH better than 2" DAH. Few people can get down on the comb hard enough, and consistently enough, to make a 2" DAH gun work for anything but trap or pigeons. And if it's a high stocked and a lightweight gun, it will often bruise the cheek. Many of the "modern" Italian doubles are stocked way too high, causing them to shoot high. My Perazzi and Beretta are exceptions to that.
Notice sometime how many shooters mount the gun and have 1" to 1 1/2" of the heel of the butt above the shoulder........... not even contacting it. That is because of too little drop. That is not a proper mount, and is the result of poor gunfit and/or a poor mount.
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Stan, I probably wouldn't have said anything about this other than I was marveling over the 18/25 remark.
People are all different shapes and sizes. Every experienced shot probably has a bracketed range within which they'll shoot pretty consistently.
It's the moving back and forth between the two extremes that pauses me to examine what differences I feel. Definitely a whole lot going on during the mount when I pick up a 3" DAH shotgun.
Out there doing it best I can.
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Stan you nailed it with your last comment. Totally agree.
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No argument from me. There's no substitute for a shotgun that fits. I simply proved to myself that I can shoot these lower-combed guns decently, running the first stations with both and generally hitting well with them. I shot neither as well as a Beretta I own that fits perfectly, but I didn't go 0/10 like I did with a friends high-combed FAIR SxS the other day! Never could shoot high-combed guns with any sense of control or confidence.
That said, the 3" drop on the Fox was pushing it, and I'd do better with a slight up bend. The Parker was easy and 2 7/8" drop on that gun felt natural and precise on the longer targets. The extra drop on the Parker betrayed me a little on an in-your-face chandelle where there was zero time to adjust, but the gun shoots plenty well enough for fun clays. I'm actually quite taken by how well this 30" VH 16 with FxF chokes performs.
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Ive pretty much given up shooting guns with 3 of DAH. Lord knows I tried. Over the years I owned a Parker VH, an 1878 Colt hammer gun, several Nitro Specials of various gauges, and even a Crescent. With that said I did make some long shots with the guns because at 40 yards out the birds are often dropping.
Nowadays I confine myself to guns that have around 2.5 DAH but even then Ive had problems. I picked up a beautiful super lightweight 12 gauge French guild gun about four years ago that measured just fine for me, except that it had such a narrow comb I was always shooting to the right of my target.
Steve
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