Keith, since you've brought me up again, I'll chime in to say that Steven's post regarding tools and stock-making classes are precisely what this site is for. If it weren't for people like Steven who teaches the skills involved in making fine guns, that knowledge would become rarer and rarer. If this forum can't tolerate the possibility that full-time gunmakers need to make their skills available, then we really ought to give it up and take up golf. Just the photos from Steven's shop contain a wealth of useful information for anyone with eyes and interest. It's just one more sample of your short-sighted self importance. Face it; no one here gives a shit for your sour pronouncements.
Billy, I get (and give) a whole lot more good information from the DIY Gunsmithing forum... FOR FREE... than I do from Steven's self serving no cost advertising he does here for his stock making classes. I already knew about single flute gun drills used for deep hole drilling, and I certainly know about vises. Unlike Steven, I even know the difference between a vise and a vice. And I agree with Brian Dudley about the usefulness of a pattern makers vise with pivoting jaws for holding items with non-parallel surfaces.
You can try once again to read the intended content for this sub-forum... and guess what Billy... free advertising of stock making classes for personal gain ain't in it. Contrary to your plaintive cries, stock making is nowhere near becoming a lost art. And I certainly have no problem with those gunsmiths who freely share advice and information without taking advantage of Dave. My comment was driven by the hypocrisy of Steven making judgements about which topics and posts are appropriate in a particular forum, and then violating his own standards for personal financial gain. But your comments and concern is understandable, considering your habit of launching personal attacks and posting false information in the Double Shotgun forum, and then retreating here to hide under Steven's shop apron.
A much better source of information on stock making that certainly isn't near as costly as these classes is this book. I highly recommend it:
