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Pictured below is a 10 gauge U.M.C Co. 2 7/8" brass case loaded with a pointed lead slug. The whole thing weighs a little over 3 ounces. Is that a factory load or some ones hand load? Any idea about value? Thanks for your comments and help. Jolly
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The case and headstamp are identical to a couple of "punkin ball" loaded Remington 10s that came along with my great grandfather's Rem 1889, which also has tiny rifle (aftermarket, I think) sights and 2 7/8 chambers marked "MAGNUM" as well as one chokeless barrel for ball and the other marked "Not for Ball" and very full choked.
I don't have an early enough ammo catalog to show the very earliest factory loaded slugs, but I'd GUESS that this is one of them. It reminds me of some early Continental slugs and would date before the "Foster" slug became our "standard."
I wouldn't want to get in front of that thing!
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Don't know about the slug, but I have a Remington 10ga SxS and the left barrel takes a rifle barrel liner. The top rib has two tapped holes near the muzzle and another two about 8" in front of the breech. The liner is stamped " 10ga- 2 1/2" 40cal ". Wish I had the original sights.
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The 'UMC' headstamp is pre-1912ish. The nickeled primer would be post 1926-ish, after the development of non-corrosive priming. I doubt it is factory loaded. Value is hard to determine for cartridges, but, someone may be interested in it for its uniqueness.
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UMC never sold loaded brass shotgun shells, just NPEs.
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The 'UMC' headstamp is pre-1912ish. The nickeled primer would be post 1926-ish, after the development of non-corrosive priming. I doubt it is factory loaded. Value is hard to determine for cartridges, but, someone may be interested in it for its uniqueness. Thanks Chief (USN-CPO) Roundsworth, and others, for those details. Makes good sense. I suspect more of a conversation piece than anything else. Sure wouldn't recommend shooting it. Jolly
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Researcher, correct me on this if I am wrong. Were not many of the NPE cases purchased by small loading companies who then loaded them for sale. In one sense this could be referred to as "Factory Loaded", just not by UMC themselves.
It could likewise of course have been loaded by an individual handloader. Whoever loaded it had a neat tool to roll that crimp into the slugs groove. I would venture it was not just a run of the mill home loader, but a rather advanced one if it was not done by one of the loading companies.
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Romac; Certainly a neat tool. Does it have a maker's name on it? Over the years I have seen several copies of old Ideal catalogs & don't recall seeing one of these in them. That of course doesn't mean they never made one, I just might not have seen the right catalog.
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No name, just a patent date of February 5, 1884. Still works pretty good too!
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