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John, I just acquired a Beretta 24ga OU and could certainly use some more ammo. Email me with the particulars: miclarry@netins.net. Thanks!

Larry:
Check your mail.
Best,
John

Carl Grundig #18676x printed on top of barrels Huteuchenmatchen Spezial Stahl. on bottom of barrels 142/148 144/148 - crown over ML - Nitro - acer special-

The metal is in excellent shape, well engraved but no animals or heavy German stuff, cheek plate on right handed stock, Stock has some minor dings and the checking is worn down. It was taken from a German Forester at the end of the war, he cried about losing his gun, so the story goes. Since then it has had 6 shells through. The sticky triggers are due to heavy grease on the parts. Asking price is $1000.
Any advise?
jas

Fausti might still offer some models in this weirdo bore.
I know Armi Marocchi used to chamber couple of SxS models in 24br.

I would buy it if I was sure I could get my hands on plenty of ammo. I like weirdo things.

14,7mm (.579") is nominal for 24ga. These bbls @ 14.8 (.583") are about .1mm (.004") overbore. Chokes were .4mm (.016") & .6mm (.024"). For a 24ga that's likely a strong modified & full.

Thanks again, Miller. It was a very clean gun and I'm not sure if I'll get it or not. I'm interested in the age and manufactor.
jas

jas,

For that price you should snap it up. Look at it this way, if it were a lesser English maker hammer gun in 28ga would you say no at that price? Any time you can find a decent hammer in a smaller gauge grab it.

There is a German 24 gauge hammer gun on Gunbroker now: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=77342957
This seller also thinks he has several 44 gauge shotguns. Wasn't too thrilled to hear they were actually 44XL.

BP has the hulls and carries Fiocchi ammunition:
http://shop2.mailordercentral.com/bpicart/prodinfo.asp?number=0642400
http://shop2.mailordercentral.com/bpicart/prodinfo.asp?number=36524PL

Check Gunbroker. Several sellers with brass and loaded ammunition.

Pete

Fiocchi makes the only loaded shells available in the US. They come 2 1/2", 11/16 oz of 5,6 or 8. They use traditional nitro cards and felt wads. It is roll crimped. The lead is soft and you have to scrub your barrels. Recoil is very mild. It seems to be tuned down for older guns.

Ballistic products has all the supplies. They have a modern Gullardi (Italian) wad that is great. It has petals and cuts leading to zero.
Order a 20 gauge roll crimper. It will handle the 24 just fine. Ballistic Products has card-over wads for closure.

The factory load is only 11/16. It makes the gun shoot like a low performance 3" .410. I use the factory ammo for Skeet just to get the hulls emptied. There are 3 hulls to choose from; Fiocchi, Cheddite and solid brass (Magtech). Expect only 2-3 reloads from Fiocchi hulls.

Traditionally the load is 13/16 oz. With the modern wad you can load up to 13/16. This puts the gun into 20 gauge territory. 13/16 of #8 1/2 is virtually the same pellet count as 1 1/8 of 7 1/2 (~380).

For the typical ranges we shoot sporting clays 13/16 of 8 1/2s shoots right up there with the 12s at clays. It totally mystifies folks how that "obsolete" gun can beat them.

I created a load by extrapolating between a 20 gauge 7/8 oz and 28 gauge 3/4 loads to guess how much powder to use. You'll find it works. I cannot remember my load right now. I have used Dupont PB and Universal Clays. I'll go out and check my notes later. It seems like it was the same bushing, I just swapped between PB and UNI-Clays. I didn't perceive any performace difference.

I converted a 28 gauge MEC reloader to handle 24 ga. I used a Dremel moto-tool to open up the sizing ring. The primer station is fine. Get a 20 gauge wad guide. I broke some of the petals out of the wad guide so it would go down into the smaller hull.

I opened up a 3/4 oz shot bar with the dremel. 13/16 oz is about 383 grains on my powder scale. It took some trial and error to get the bar right.

Joe

Where did he get that 6k idea, Cabela's? I luv engraving of those domesticated bunnies and even like that "rabid" dog, but there is that starting tag...... Gee, do all monied folks from "Bank Vault of CT" think there is a Lexus, BMW, Jag,.... in every driveway? LOOOOCO!