The first year advertisement (1939) for the M37 20 stated a weight of 5.75 lbs. Mine weighs as advertised. This is accomplished partially by the stock being partially hollowed in a rectangular cut. This was abandoned in later years. All of my 2 3/4" 20 ga. M37 Ithacas hover just below 6 lbs. The Upper Sandusky 20 ga. TurkeySlayer is a real tub weighing 7 lbs. The stock is solid plastic unlike the hollow styrene stocks on some guns. I don't have much use for a 20 ga. turkey gun that carries like a 12. Additionally, the barrel isn't designed for removal. Other than weight, the Upper Sandusky guns are well made. The 28 ga. is a solid 6 lbs. Weight could've been shaved more had the barrel been offered without a vent rib. Gil