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keet, you seem to take delight in name calling and rudeness to others posting here...maybe it would be more appropriate for you to start your own threads, so you can then flay away to your hearts content...without burdening the rest of us with your nonsense...

Hey Ed, where was that concern for decorum when your rudeness, Trolling, and threats got you suspended by Dave Weber at least three times?

Save the lectures Ed. Better yet... stick them where the sun don't shine.

Keith,

There are absolutely no gas line photos in my posts, the pictures you see are from a big logging trail that run across a couple mountains in Potter County.

We do get some bigger snows from time to time before Christmas, however our really big snows in Potter/Tioga come later in winter, from January thru February even into March at times. The year before last we had big snows even around Thanksgiving. It all depends on the weather. Each year seems to be different now, when I was a kid the snows started around Thanksgiving and never stopped till spring.

The point I was making is that we no longer have the best part of Grouse season here in Pa to hunt. We will see if we have any snow at all before Christmas this season to hunt in, probably very few days will be sunny and snow covered before Christmas. It's been that way for a while now. Later in the season it has been getting so cold that people who live in my area, have had frozen water lines in their homes, and come to my place to get water during these times.


Ryman Gun Dog
L.C. Smith Man

Global warming obviously at work in your part of the country, Dave. We thought the same thing out this way, when we had major snowfalls after the middle of April.

Up my way, we call that not insulating your home properly, not a problem with the weather. LOL

Seriously though, I'm not that far north of PA. And have spent winter's here for most of the 1970's, half the 1980's, all of the 1990's and the last 8 years. And each decade there have been incredibly warm winters, when the snow never lasts more than a week or 2 and others long and cold with plenty of snow.

If you live in an area of snow shadow from one of the Great Lakes, the snow quantity or lack thereof, can be wildly affected by the temp of the lake water and how early, or late, real cold comes. Early, hard cold dumps tons of snow early but then freezes most of the lake surface, drastically reducing later season snow, no matter the temp. A slow decent into cold winter weather can mean little early snow but a ton of late season snow.

The weather guys have a great deal of difficulty predicting what's going to happen 10 days from now. In fact, they are usually wrong. So I don't put much stock in their longer predictions.

Absolutely correct James. The National Weather Service website used to have a link to easily access historical climate data. It's mostly still there, but it takes some poking around to find it. Looking right now at a couple cities near me, 2012 was the warmest year on record overall. But No. 2 warmest was 1931, and No. 3 was 1921. Another city had 1931 as No. 1 warmest, and 2012 as No. 2. If Al Gore's father was around then, he was probably blaming the Great Depression on Global Warming.

What you see as you study the data is that there is nothing all that remarkable going on. Climate change has been happening at least as long as these records have been kept, going back to the 1800's. And it was certainly happening before that. There have been warm years and droughts. And there have been cold, wet years. Some with very heavy snowfall, and others not so much. But I still put my studded snow tires on every year, because I know we're bound to get hammered at some point, living downwind from the Great Lakes.

I've heard a lot of people making the claim that winter used to hit hard around Thanksgiving, and hold on tight until March. It does seem to start a bit later and end a bit later now. But if you look at those dirty lying detailed National Weather Service records and data, you can see that we had some tough persistent winters, like we did this past winter in 2017-2018. And we also had some milder ones where there were frequent thaws. Thinking back to when I first started hunting, there was often snow on the first day of Buck Season which starts on the Monday after Thanksgiving. But not always. I also remember a lot of anxious days after school hoping for snow so we could go sled riding, and have snow-ball battles, and build igloos and forts. I don't remember any of our snowmen or igloos lasting much more than a few weeks before a little thaw ruined them.

Kids today are going to have fond memories of texting and playing games on their phone.

I'll never forget the day a heavy downpour and a strong cold front was forecast for the first Saturday of deer season, and temps were in the high 40's. I was about 13 years old. My Dad told me that the soft hunters would be leaving the woods before the first raindrops started, but we would have the woods to ourselves. As the sky darkened and the wind picked up, he made a lean-to shelter next to a large rock out of a cheap 9' x 12' painters plastic drop-cloth as I gathered firewood. We started a small fire, and were dry and toasting ham sandwiches on the fire when the rain and wind started. As the rain loudly spattered on the plastic, and accumulating puddles on our lean-to poured noisily into the leaves, and as the wind whipped the plastic, 4 does came feeding through the hollow. They stopped abruptly when they saw or heard the commotion, and came running straight toward us. They stopped less than 10 feet away and stared at us for what seemed like minutes before slowly walking away. We saw lots of deer that day, but unfortunately no bucks. But I learned that day that game animals become much more relaxed, unwary, and active during a steady rain. And even now, when other hunters are calling it quits and heading for the tavern, I'm setting up my big camouflage umbrella that screws into a tree, and seeing game that others aren't. But how on earth could I even have this memory if we always had snow during deer season???

Keith,

Thank you sir for being an NRA Benefactor & Life Member!

Ryan Gun Dog
L.C. Smith Man

Dave,

And thank you for your military service, and your own NRA membership and defense of our 2nd Amendment. It's only because of those things that we have the freedom to argue whether an L.C. Smith is better than a Parker or a Lefever.

Yesterday, King Brown called me uncompromising on my persistent determination to call out the anti-gun supporters in our midst who undermine our firearms rights. He may not think so, but he couldn't have paid me a higher compliment. I only feel bad that I don't do more to make sure our kids and grandkids enjoy the same freedom to hunt, shoot, and possess guns as we do. NRA membership should be more than simply wearing a hat or lapel pin or having a decal in the window of our truck. The attacks on our gun rights continue whether there is a Democrat or a Republican sitting in the White House, so we all need to remain involved by voting, calling our Congressmen, and getting other gun owners to pitch in and help out.

Best,

Keith

Keith,

Roger that!

Ryman Gun Dog
L.C. Smith Man

L. Brown,

Global warming Larry, nice zinger buddy!

RGD/Dave
L.C. Smith Man