HomelessjOe,

The answer to how many were never found was answered by one of the Pa State Foresters when we talked to him.

His crews are in the woods working most every day except Sundays, and the State Forest Work Crews do see Grouse during the week, and have not run across any Grouse that perished from WNV, laying dead in the woods. Lots killed by predators of all different types, the majority by flying predators. Many feather piles where Great Horned Owls puked the feathers back up. Along the roads like RT6 they see Grouse that have been killed by vehicles, most every week.

I would hope these vehicle killed Grouse are being gathered for WNV Testing, I did not ask.


Larry Brown,

In those particular states what you say is true, however in Pa, Ny and Wva our bigger snows don't come until late Jan and Feb. Our 2nd Season here in Pa after Christmas, was seriously great Grouse hunting with just light snow until usually late January. Bill Palmer our recently retired Grouse Biologist advised our PGC to open Grouse Season clear into early February. Instead they come up with an unproven WNV theory and cut the 2nd season completely. Fortunately for us northern tier Grouse hunters, Ny still runs it's Grouse season into January. Pa's Pheasant season however runs clear into February.

Ryman Gun Dog/Dave
L.C. Smith Man

December and until mid January it usually looks like this, as we Grouse hunt here in Potter/Tioga, Pa - Beginning of the 2nd season has always been the best Grouse hunting here in Pa. - We lost that part of the season, with this unproven WNV Theory.







Last edited by Ryman Gun Dog; 08/03/18 01:16 PM.