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I would dis-agree that it does not matter who passed the law. The liberal left certainly had an agenda, but so did Reagan and the Right. Same result but different motivating factors. Reagan did not want to pay for housing and services related to the mentally ill. The left felt that the "rights" of these folks were being abused. A bit of shared blame in my eyes. Reagan does not get a pass from me on this one. Reagan's desire was to balance the Federal budget, a Nobel goal, but he created a whole bunch of issues for the States which they were ill prepared for. IMHO Reagan was starting from the premise that there is a limited amount of money and choices have to be made. Just as each of us must in our personal lives. I have no problem with the idea that not all of his choices were great. But what the left misses with such astounding regularity is that somehow this stuff needs to get paid for. And if you fund enough "Pissing Jesus" artworks, you aren't going to have enough left over for the things that really need to be done. It's the lack of discrimination on what to spend money on that gets me.
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I think it was a huge mistake to close State mental hospitals. The ACLU and a strong patients right movement had been pushing for deinstitutionalization for some time but it was Reagan's Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 that removed most funding and forced States to release the mentally challenged. Yup....the homeless epidemic can be traced directly to this. Doesn't really matter who enacted the laws that did it. It was advocated for and pushed by the Progressive Left. As predictable as the sun rise, the Liberal left gunsmith SKB is once again denigrating Republicans by name. He claims to be an Independent Moderate, but he is always very quick to criticize Reagan, Bush 43 or Bush 46, or Trump by name. Yet for some strange reason, you just never see him calling out the Liberal Left anti-gun Democrats he obviously supports. His Democrat partisanship is as evident as King Brown's. But he's dumb enough to think nobody notices. LOL, speaking of predictable.... Keith, it's possible for a politician (or individual) to disagree with the 2cd and still have a myriad of views and positions on other subjects that are good for the country. I'm not saying I'd vote for him but most of us are not that one dimensional. It's also possible they support the second and they are idiots on everything else. I would not vote for that guy.
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I completely agree about the need for balanced budgets but handing the problem off to the States did not save money or solve the problem. It may have helped balance the books for the Feds but in the end it is really more of a shell game than a solution. We now deal with those people in the criminal justice system. Those folks are not going away nor are the costs associated with them. They are members of society and they need to be looked after because they are not able to do so themselves. Closing the mental health institutions was a terrible idea no matter the agenda driving the decision.
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Not much a team player are you James? Next thing you know you will be thinking for yourself.
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I completely agree about the need for balanced budgets but handing the problem off to the States did not save money or solve the problem. It may have helped balance the books for the Feds but in the end it is really more of a shell game than a solution. We now deal with those people in the criminal justice system. Those folks are not going away nor are the costs associated with them. They are members of society and they need to be looked after because they are not able to do so themselves. Closing the mental health institutions was a terrible idea no matter the agenda driving the decision. Well, we are in agreement they need to be looked after. As far as who pays for it, that's a bit of a shell game because ultimately the money only comes from one place. The taxpayer. Now I don't know the intricacies of the division of responsibilities between the Feds and state governments but I do know the Feds have a habit of overstepping their bounds. It happens up here all the time. They do it with the lure of money. Was this a case where the Feds had overstepped their bounds, taking on and paying for something that isn't in their mandate and Reagan reeled it back or was this a case where the Feds with clear responsibility for the issue, just bailed? My point being that balancing the books....which all governments at every level should be doing, has to start somewhere. And to do so, difficult choices must be made, becasue there are a whole lot of idiots in our past who refused to do so, both Republican and Democrat.....Liberal and Conservative. No party in either country has a lock on behaving well, fiscally.
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James, I wasn't talking about any anti-gun politician. How did you miss that?
I was talking about our Liberal left gunsmith SKB, and his failed attempts at hiding his disdain for pro-gun Republicans and his support for anti-gun Democrats.
My post had nothing to do with me being one-dimensional. It was simply to point out the silly and ineffective charade Lefty Stevie plays. He knows that many people likely wouldn't patronize a gunsmith who supported anti-gun Democrats. But he can't suppress his highly predictable knee-jerk response that compels him to denigrate pro-gun Republicans. If they would re-open some mental health facilities, he and rocky mtn bill would do well to use them since Liberalism is a mental illness.
I try to help him by pointing it out. He thanks me by shooting the messenger. Go figure.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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Not much a team player are you James? Next thing you know you will be thinking for yourself. Steve...I'm playing for the team that includes all of us.
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James, I wasn't talking about any anti-gun politician. How did you miss that?
I was talking about our Liberal left gunsmith SKB, and his failed attempts at hiding his disdain for pro-gun Republicans and his support for anti-gun Democrats.
My post had nothing to do with me being one-dimensional. It was simply to point out the silly and ineffective charade Lefty Stevie plays. He knows that many people likely wouldn't patronize a gunsmith who supported anti-gun Democrats. But he can't suppress his highly predictable knee-jerk response that compels him to denigrate pro-gun Republicans. If they would re-open some mental health facilities, he and rocky mtn bill would do well to use them since Liberalism is a mental illness.
I try to help him by pointing it out. He thanks me by shooting the messenger. Go figure. Knee jerk? I haven't looked it up but perhaps he's right about who passed the law. Maybe it was Reagan. I think most of us can agree that regardless of who passed it, a pro gun Republican or an anti gun Democrat, it had disastrous repercussions we live with today. What's wrong with making the point and refuting one more idiotic statement from jOe, that it was the Democrats? What's wrong with real facts Keith, instead of jOe's fake news.
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