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I'll 3rd, 4th, or 5th the idea of a chamber cast. It is simple and will end the agnoy and confusion. There are many variations of 22 caliber wildcats based on the 30-30 rim diameter case. I have a 1903 Springfield with a C.C. Johnson barrel that started life as a Lovell and when I acquired it was/still is chambered in .219 ICL. Do yourself a favor and get some cerosafe and cast the chamber.
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I checked both books, although I have the Ness book on the .22s and not Landis, but there was no .22-219 listed as such. The number of .219.based wildcats was staggering. Youll have to do a chamber cast to find out what you have.
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Thanks for everyone's help. I will let you know how things progress, whether I cast the chamber or someone sends me a .219 Wasp case or cartridge. I put a nice little 10X 1 1/4" objective Unertl on the Winchester today. Now it looks like a rifle. Bill Murphy in MD.
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I have had a chamber cast done and it looks like I have a .219 Donaldson Wasp according to the dimensions pictured in Landis' Woodchucks and Woodchuck Rifles, 1951, page 350. Next step is to beg one of our forum participants to sell me a box of loaded ammunition so I can testfire. Thanks.
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Eightbore:
You might post your request for a box of loaded .219 Don Wasp brass on the ASSRA website. They will be someone's handloads, as, to my knowledge, the .219 Don Wasp was never a factory cartridge. A lot of the .219s were built on single shot actions and many of those guys still shoot them.
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Eightbore, I can send you some brass, no charge.
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Thanks for help from everyone. I had not thought to go on the ASSRA forum to look for information. Rocky Mt. Bill, thanks for the offer. I will see how the Reed ammunition works out before depleting your supply. Hopefully, this great Hiwall will be a one hole shooter. I agree with other 1885 shooters that the barrel should be longer. However, she looks much better with the skinny Unertl on top.
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Chapter 10, the Reed ammunition measures exactly or smaller than the chamber cast, but won't go the last 1/16" into the chamber. Since the main cylinder of the case measures correctly, I am assuming that the area behind the neck has not been sized to the real chamber dimension. The neck diameter is safely undersize. I don't have access to a case sizer, so I would like to take advantage of Rocky Mountain Bill's offer to send me some cases to try. I will PM Bill with my address. I am anxious to shoot this gun, thought today would be the day.
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I have a couple of Highwalls in .219 Wasp and each is a different chamber. Apparently there were several versions or interpretations, ......hard to know which version yours was chambered for.
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Thanks for the information. However, I have read every dimension with Vernier calipers and micrometers and compared them with the cast and cant find any difference. I am thinking the neck is farther forward in the Reed cases by thousandths, or that the neck is just thousandths longer. The cast neck is damaged at the very front, so I can't prove my last suspicion. Rocky Mountain Bill may solve my problems if I can mic his cases.
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