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Did he hold any patents ?

Hey j0e...when I bought my Reilly in 2014...it's what got me interested in the sport and the guns...ergo the historical effort on my part... Nothing more. They're nice guns which can usually be bought at a reasonable price, with excellent balance, good finish and a certain esthetic flair. They're not ever going to be Purdey's or H&H's.

Reilly patented an explosive bullet in 1869. That's about it. But if you're going to limit gun makers to those who held patents...you'll eliminate a host of London guns.

There's a Reilly listed by a gun dealer in the sale section that he thinks is a Purdey.

I really could careless if the guy is a gun dealer...but he first lied flat out about being a gun dealer then got brazen and rubbed the fact in everyones face.

It's up to Dave if let's gun dealers sell here.

I don't care if every gun dealer on the Internet lists gun in the sale section...just don't lie about it.

I�m uninformed? Well Argo, that was kinda of rude. I don�t believe I am. I think your grasping at straws trying to make up a fantasy that your favorite gun retailing store, E.M Reilly had an actual factory that made guns. They didn�t. They had a retail store. Not arguing that Reilly more than likely did produce some of their own percussion and pin fire guns, in the early to mid 1800�s. I�ve seen proof of that.
A gunmaking factory that was producing guns from the Victorian to the Edwardian era�s in London, that no one ever wrote about...no one ever saw, that no one took a picture of and no one wrote about, a factory that didn�t produce any weapons during the war years (that in itself debunks your factory theory, all factory capability was used during the war years and it was highly documented btw)
You have failed to prove it with absolute empirical evidence. I�ll stick with the facts, sir.

I think we�re all done here.

And no, Joe....Reilly or any of their supposed employees didn�t hold any significant gun making patents that I�m aware of.

Reilly went bankrupt in 1912.

Sorry LeFusil but you still haven't bothered to read the research. There was a reason Reilly's business model worked; He sold guns at half the price and delivered them three times as fast to the customer. Spend tomorrow reading the best research on Reilly available which happens to be right here on DGS. Then we'll talk.

The few I've ran across were nice guns.

I'd put my money on W.C.Scott & sons as being the maker of Reilly guns.

W.C. Scott & sons was one of the few gunmakers that produce guns as fast as you claim Reilly could.

Ya. I got it. The exploding bullet of 1869. Like I said....Reilly didn�t have any type of gunmaking patents attributed to the firm or an employee or worker. A friggin bullet design doesn�t count. Good lord man.

What makes you think I haven�t read your research? Nothing in it is a game changer Argo.

You aren�t changing minds or re-writing history, sorry. Good effort though.

Gents, there are no magic handling properties inherent to best work guns. Sorry, but there just aren't. I've been searching for them for twenty years and haven't found so much as a sniff. The handling properties that suit one shooter will not suit all shooters. The handling properties generally associated with game guns are not the same for heavy game guns, high pheasant, light pigeon, pigeon, duck, and/or water fowl. The master of a shop was supposed to make sure the buyer got a gun that best suited his needs. Please, can we drop the magical handling properties of best guns.

Best work guns cost more than "A" grade guns because they required many more man-hours of work. In any product field, the last few % points of quality are expensive.

McIntosh's check list works OK for "London Pattern best work guns." Said "London Pattern" is by no means exclusive to all best work guns. Nor does a best work gun have to come from London. Most best work guns involved some outworker time as the guys able to do best work were in demand and could make more money working as a contractor. Trade masters knew well the names, addresses, and price lists of best work workers. As the market/demand fluctuated up and down the big makers hired best work in-workers or outsourced to talented out-workers.

DDA

Yep. My 16ga hammer Parker 0 grade is "magic" in my hands compared to all the others. It doesn't even need hands to lift it to my eyes; it comes up itself with a little guidance. But I'm way ahead of Rocketman. It didn't take 20 years to figure why. Good post!

bUSHVELD,

Re dovetail barrels you perhaps ought to read what Greener had to say about them. No doubt mcKintosh was a respected authority but I veer towards Greener on technical aspects.

"Best" is a non definition.

Former Purdey production manager Owen wrote that today's guns have, due to CNC machining, superior steels to those used in the "golden age". As I recall best involves the best materials and workmanship a maker can employ etc. Should we then say that today's guns are "bester"?

A John Dickson is not stocked to the fences. Only a fool would assert that that feature deprives it of best status. That would not be surprising, some so called experts discounted Round Actions in general because they are not sidelocks.