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70 mm (2 3/4") chambers 20.6 = .811" is chamber (not bore) diameter 18.3 = .720" 17.5 = .689" Gotta know the bore, but if it's .729 that would be IC and Full-nice chokes for about anything. And yes, I'd certainly limit to 1 1/8 oz loads. And here's infro about Neumann Freres with pics of their trade marks http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20m%20o/a%20neumann%20freres%20gb.htm
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Yeah Rebdoc, that's the page I looked at to make me think it was neumann freres. Now that I look again, i'm even more sure.
I noticed that the guns on the neumann freres heading all have that *N on them. Mine also has that *N. Could that be the mark of Neumann? Is that what the *N means?
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Hey guys: Can't get a good picture so I will draw the markings on the bbls flats. Try to disregard any aspects of this bad drawing except the markings, Here goes: \
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Oh by the way. someone indicated a date of MFG for this gun from 1898 - 1924. Did they chamber 12GA for 2 3/4" shells (70mm) back in 1924? This gun was originally chambered to 2 3/4".
I think this gun is newer than that but I could be wrong. The last 2 digits of it's 4 digit serial number is 77. Could that mean anything? I looked at the alphabetical legend of date codes but don't see anything obvious on the flats that stands out as such. There is a "P" under the lion maybe thats it. I dont know.
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Jigman:
Most of the marks are referenced above. The crown over "ELG" in an oval is for final black powder proof and the semi-smokeless or smokeless powder proof is the Lion over "PV" stamp. Most of the other "*" over a letter is an inspector's mark.
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also, just ahead of the flats on each bbl is another of the "EL" scripts, then the word "choke" 17.5 on one bbl and the "EL" "choke" and 18.3 on the other bbl.
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So, nothing to indicate maker on this? Where else may I find clues? How about the serial number?
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Try the inside of the bottom plate. That's where my 1937 Belgian SxS by Jamar Freres is marked; the only place I have found.
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Do I have it correct that any belgian gun with the rhombus on point with 12C in it is 1924 or earlier. Because that is on my bbl flats.
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To get a better picture set up your camera on a tripod or if you don't have a tripod set it up with whatever and then use the timer so that you're not holding the camera when the picture is taken, also I've found getting some distance away and using my zoom lense keeps the auto-focus from focusing on the top of the barrel lug. Steve
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