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Seller is trying to sell the name. See it all the time with Winchester, Browning and Parker owners. Unless you are a real collector, a person who is only interested in the highest condition, completely original and as near to unfired as possible, then you are either a shooter looking for another toy or an accumulator who buys without real understanding of what�s good and what�s junk. The seller is an accumulator who thinks he has a great gun to sell just because it says Winchester on the side of the gun. Not quite.

I�ve had to tell sellers what they have is a common example, of a entry level gun, in average condition, made by the same maker who made higher grade guns. It�s like they owned a Chevette, which was made by the same company who made Corvettes. Same maker, sounds a little alike but not nearly the same. That they understand.

Dumb dumb dumb...

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Unlike a few peoples opinions here, reloading for these rifles can be as interesting as shooting some of these 1800 wall hangers. You do need to reload. Components for what was once rare are more available than ever.

I am guessing Ron Peterson might have it on his table at the next Tulsa show Ken. You may have a chance at it!! This is equipped with a vernier sight and has the metal butt plate with the "fingers" on it that try and reach over and under your shoulder and arm pit at the same time!! Overall it is in probably 90% condition, with a few knicks and minor scratches on the stock and fore end. The bluing has some wear and what appeared to me to have been surface rust on the right side just ahead of the chamber area. No idea what the guy gave for it originally or what he got for it yesterday or what Ron may ask for it in the future. If anyone on this board might be interested in it PM me and I will be happy to provide you with Ron Peterson's number and you can inquire directly with him.

I wonder where this is coming from??? Nowhere in this thread up to the time of this comment did the OP tell us the condition of the gun, or whether the seller was expecting some pie-in-the-sky price. We all want a good price when we sell, but it sounds as if he settled for less than he paid several years ago. We all know that a pristine or unfired Winchester High Wall is going to get the attention of real collectors. But to think that a specimen in average condition, even in an obsolete or uncommon caliber would be not worth considering for anybody is crazy. And this comes from a guy who has spent a lifetime buying guns that need some work. Or so he says.

Why is this not in the rifle section ?

"Anyway, the old guy continually stressed the fact that 'it is a Winchester...and not an inexpensive piece of junk....." Right."

The only research he ever did was to look at the name. Later after he bought it he maybe did a web search for ammo not made since before WWII or maybe WWI. He bought it without finding out if ammo was available which is silly. He never figured out how to reload it. Perhaps he does not reload at all. He bought it as an investment or a tomato stake but not to shoot.

Ever deal with a seller who thinks what he has is worth more than you do? Or can not understand why others are not as amazed with it as he seems? Why of course you have, we all have. I find a lot of sellers just look at the name on the gun, or the fact it is old, or the fact it is odd that it has to be rare. Winchester made millions guns, sometimes a million plus in a single model. Odd is not rare most of the times, it is just a pain in the ass to feed. And condition is king to a collector with everything else being equal. But sellers often think what they think is it and the rest of the world is missing something.

I was dealing with a seller a few weeks ago who was trying to sell a Sterlingworth 12 ga. with 30" barrels. They made ten of thousands of them. And his had been dragged home, behind a pickup truck, judging from the looks of it. To me it was a rainy day shooter at best or maybe a parts gun. Worth $400-500. It was a 10% gun at best. You see them sell for that on GunBroker fairly often. When he said he would let me have it for $2,100.00 I almost choked. Just told him that was too rich for my blood. He did nothing to figure out what he had, what it was worth or even what condition it was. He kept pointing to the early patent date like they all don't have it on them. Like it was made in the same year.

I don't know what this seller was asking for his gun. It does not matter. If you don't know what you have find out about it before you buy it, or sell it, if you inherit it. Don't just set a price based on pie in the sky numbers. If you wont do that then don't get pissy when nobody is hot to buy it. Right now is a buyers market as much or more so than anytime since 2008 and might be heading into softer selling prices on a lot of our guns.

And some people think jOe is opinionated.......

Keep on pointing out the truth like that, and someone is going to start a thread to get your ass banned too!

Thanks for the heads up Perry. Sounds like the gun is appointed similar to my .38-55 Hi Wall.