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I knocked boxlocks with integral strikers/tumblers, Larry, because if one breaks, you are out of the game that year. If I had to, I could service the striker in a Holland pattern sidelock. Fact is, I have a spare for the BSS, and it just takes a screwdriver to do it. I won’t be repairing the integrated striker in a boxlock, however.
Has it occurred to you the subject here is a sidelock gun, not a boxlock? Further, that once the sidelock is out of the way, you have pretty easy access to the striker, something that is completely different in a boxlock? Disc set strikers are WAY more important in a boxlock, Larry.
Make a note of that. Your education continues.
Did you take a look at the spring Dewey repaired in the AYA, Larry? It was poorly made. That is not a cheap Spanish gun. I have a Spanish boxlock gun Larry, use it all the time, but, it cost me $400, and has disc set strikers AND the tool and spare strikers.
The Flynn article was done after he did a strip and clean to a customers BSS sidelock. He mentioned Abe Chaber in the article, as Abe agrees with Flynn about the BSS. I’m going to guess people with sidelocks are a bit more religious about getting them serviced than the run of the mill boxlock or, pump owner.
Good wood is where you find it. Having great wood on a Parker, or, Parker reproduction wouldn’t change the fact you are stuck with a Parker, a design I’m not overly impressed with, ESPECIALLY small bore and single trigger versions.
Best,
Ted Ted, that sidelock striker repair is much easier, isn't it, if the locks are hand detachable . . . which they aren't on a BSS. I believe--I'm going back quite a way in my memory--that it was Abe Chaber with whom I spoke about the Charles Daly OU's and broken leaf springs. Your praise of Japanese steel and technology didn't seem to be restricted to sidelocks only . . . which is a good thing, because if it were, you wouldn't be talking about very many guns. As compared, for example, to the Spanish gun industry. Whether you're overly impressed or not with a Parker is irrelevant. And "especially the small bores"? Hmmm. Check the prices on Parker Repro 28's. If you do that, you will note that they run significantly higher than for 12's or 20's--even though they made more 28's than they did 12's. Those guns obviously have quite a few fans. And typically sell for bigger bucks than a BSS Sidelock 20. Which, I will again stipulate, is a pretty nice gun. But for some reason, hasn't seen the same price increase as a Repro 28--even though there are 10x more Repro 28's out there than BSS Sidelock 20's. It would appear that the sxs buying public doesn't agree with your tastes. Nothing wrong with that. Somebody has to like Darnes! 
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Mr.Ted...don't it just kill you that Larry Brown is smarter than you.
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Mr.Ted...don't it just kill you that Larry Brown is smarter than you. Good lord, Larry, you would actually find it easier to repair a striker in a sidelock that had a hand detachable lock plate, versus one with a screw? Much easier? Are you sure? Have you done it? It is a piece of cake, assuming you have the RIGHT screwdriver, and, know which end to use. The process is night and day different between an A&D boxlock and a Holland Pattern sidelock was my point, which, seems to have gone right over your head. Smallbore Parkers look “pregnant” to me. They are oddly proportioned. The single triggers are hit or miss on the repros. I really don’t care what the market says. That said, if jOe comes to visit you in Wisconsin, the cumulative IQ in Wisconsin and Tennessee will both go down. If you got any, keep him away from your screwdrivers. Best, Ted
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If everyone was as smart as mr.Ted...
I bet it just kills you to know your dad saw something special in that Italian race horse of an automatic. That, is hilarious. Dad bought a 32” barrel for his Browning A5 standard, an aftermarket choke tube for same, that was supposed to be for steel BBB shot, and never looked back at the Benelli. It sat for YEARS without being used, same as now. Race horse of a gun. What a joke. The Benelli is too light, too shiney, and too unreliable to ever be considered a waterfowl gun. The Browning A5 always goes off. $1600, special race horse pricing for you, clown boy. $800 to anyone else, here. Dave will get $20. Best, Ted
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Thanks for the offer mr. Ted but I have two of them. Nair a break down or malfunction in 19 years on one and 16 on the other.
They are some complicated guns I can see why you would have trouble with one mr. Ted.
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Mr.Ted...don't it just kill you that Larry Brown is smarter than you. Good lord, Larry, you would actually find it easier to repair a striker in a sidelock that had a hand detachable lock plate, versus one with a screw? Much easier? Are you sure? Have you done it? It is a piece of cake, assuming you have the RIGHT screwdriver, and, know which end to use. The process is night and day different between an A&D boxlock and a Holland Pattern sidelock was my point, which, seems to have gone right over your head. Smallbore Parkers look “pregnant” to me. They are oddly proportioned. The single triggers are hit or miss on the repros. I really don’t care what the market says. That said, if jOe comes to visit you in Wisconsin, the cumulative IQ in Wisconsin and Tennessee will both go down. If you got any, keep him away from your screwdrivers. Best, Ted Well Ted, I have removed the locks from various hand-detachable sidelocks . . . with no tools whatsoever. And not having the right screwdriver means it's always quite possible to bugger a screw. Not a good thing on a relatively expensive gun. So is it easier on an H&H patent sidelock than on a boxlock with bushings? Not sure about that, if you have the proper tool to remove the bushing. Certainly harder on either a Parker Repro or a Webley & Scott 700 . . . but I had a pair of A&N boxlocks made by Webley with disc-set strikers and the tool to pull the discs . . . and found striker replacement fairly easy. Comparing prices on 28ga Repros to 20ga BSS Sidelocks simply means there are more people willing to pay more for the Repro. Maybe because it has about a half pound weight advantage over the BSS. Or maybe because for the price of an original Parker 28, you could buy several BSS Sidelocks.
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Where are you to compare apples to apples and look at 20 gauge Winchester Parker repros versus 20 gauge Browning sidelocks
you would see that the Browning side lock sells somewhere between a 25 and 50% premium.
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Thanks for the offer mr. Ted but I have two of them. Nair a break down or malfunction in 19 years on one and 16 on the other.
They are some complicated guns I can see why you would have trouble with one mr. Ted. Never had a reason to use. I have shot it about four times( four ROUNDS, not four occasions), cleaned it, and put it away. Their reputation as unreliable came long before I owned it. The glossy finish, the plastic bird puking on the grip cap, and the aluminum used in it’s construction boldly prove nobody every went broke under estimating American taste. I am sure it fits you to a T. Best, Ted
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I've been in the blind, or in the duck woods, with several SBEs that jammed. I don't pretend to know why. I haven't shot a recoil operated autoloader since I was 16 yrs old, and said "Goodbye" to the 20 ga. M11 Remington. But, I have been told that they "require liberal amounts of oil to run". That may or may not be accurate. I'm sure Frank will have an opinion on that.
SRH
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