I was looking at them again. The fancy checkering pattern is the kind of work the early German custom makers liked to do, and the Litschert scope ought to be early, 1940s or 1940s, but they both have those tacky white spacers typical of the 1950s, and the .257 Roberts Mauser is built on WWII Nazi-marked action. So the two rifles are quite puzzling. Spectacular wood.