Buzz, I don't really have a dog in this fight. I hunt turkey somewhat haphazardly and this year it will be with a vintage Fox A grade 12 gauge, as it has for the last 10 years or so. Next year I hope to be able to use my restored Charles Daly 12 ga. So I will not be going the TSS/lightweight gun route. I can't imagine a day when I won't be using 2 3/4" lead loads out of a vintage 12 ga.

And you may have personally met jOe and I won't argue at all as to what that experience is like. I'm glad to hear it may be better than meeting him on line here. Because, if he is misunderstood, it is through no one's fault but his own. If he has a reputation for a certain kind of behavior and attitude, it comes as a result of 13,000 of his own posts on this forum alone.

Look at every thread on TSS that I can recall. The crap doesn't start with someone else disparaging jOe's choices. It starts with jOe disparaging everyone who uses TSS. And in this thread, when I ask him why, he says he doesn't....that he's the one who gets attacked. Yet the evidence strongly suggests otherwise. He calls others whiners and yet whines to Dave to have his own, incriminating posts deleted.

It would be so much more enjoyable to meet the genuine and generous person you have met.

The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia