With all this talk of off face guns the question comes to my mind of just how much do you have to shoot a gun for it to go off face? The hook and hinge pin are the two things that I ensure I flush out and lube after EVERY day in the field whether I shot or not. Of course, with my skills I never have to worry about not shooting!!! I always wipe my guns down and swab the bore with one of the long fuzzy sticks and then I go for the hinge pin and hook. I always use either a shot of Rem Oil or Silicon spray and then quite often a dab of white grease applied with a cotton swab. So far, I have never had a gun even appear to be the least bit loose or off face? Don't take this as me patting myself on the back but with this conversation and after watching the video I just felt I would ask and possibly get some more discussion on the issue. Have any of you ever had this happen with a modern shotgun? When I say modern I am talking about guns other than the English Best guns I hear some of you speak of that are over 100 years old.