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When the KKK proved to be too hateful and violent, even for Forrest, he left the organization. Nathan Bedford Forrest had his limits.
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Excellent comment. Today, in many respects, both parties are two sides of the same coin. Who is the leper with the most fingers?
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Yes, it is true he did leave the KKK. Sometime after the Presidential election campaign of 1868 in which the KKK, which he still lead, murdered over 2,000 people, mostly African Americans and Republicans, in an effort to suppress the vote.
Nothing the government gives you is free.
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You have to be kidding. You're old enough to remember the civil rights movement. It wasn't Young Republicans who road buses to Mississippi to register voters. Strom Thurmmond was a Democrat until Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act. He then switched to the Republican Party to oppose the new law. Rocky mtn bill is telling lies again. Democrats did not pass the 1964 Civil. Rights Act. The House and Senate votes are a matter of public record, and Billy has been caught in this same lie in the past. The vote was first held up by a record setting 60 day filibuster led by DEMOCRAT Senator Robert Byrd, who had been a high ranking KKK Leader. When the filibuster ended, it passed mainly because of support from Republicans. 82% of Republicans in the Senate voted to pass it while only 69% of Democrats voted yes. The amended Senate bill was then sent back to the House where it got 76% support from House Republicans and 60% support from Democrats. The earlier Civil Rights Act of 1957 numbers were even lower for Democrats with only 51% support versus 84% for Republicans. Republicans also were much stronger supporters of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and it was Republicans who outnumbered Democrat support for the later 1968 Civil Rights Act also known as the Fair Housing Act, with 81% of Republicans in favor compared to 59% of Democrats. It was even worse back in the 1920's when the 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote. 12 States, all Republican had granted women full suffrage prior to the vote on the Amendment. When the vote was submitted to the states, 8 of the 9 States that voted against giving women the right to vote were Democrat. Billy has been informed about these things in the past, but like many Liberals, he ignores the truth and keeps on repeating lies.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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It's true Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act, but their arms were being severely twisted by President Johnson. The Republican Party since Reagan's day has not been in the forefront of any equality movement. I don't think the explanation is as much prejudice as it is indifference. Today's R's main concern is the welfare of the hyper rich.
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....Today's R's main concern is the welfare of the hyper rich. Why not just say thanks? Only in America eh, you're saying that you got the R's to do your bidding. Since it's mostly about feelings, how do you feel when a talking point gets sent out to the commoners that the d's want you to rally around hyper rich elites? Why won't the d's stick up for Yashar Ali, you know, so the lil d proletariat can have a little diversity in their lives?
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and what party has held the white house that has led to the lowest black unemployment in history?
Oh that's right, repubs are racists! why would they help blacks then?
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It's true Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act, but their arms were being severely twisted by President Johnson. The Republican Party since Reagan's day has not been in the forefront of any equality movement. I don't think the explanation is as much prejudice as it is indifference. Today's R's main concern is the welfare of the hyper rich. Come on Bill. try something other than the standard talking points. You are in danger of becoming a parody of a Democrat supporter. You twist or ignore or deny historical fact to fit your narrative and you refuse to consider rational positions different from yours. Here's a question I like to pose to my liberal and socialist friends (yes, shockingly, I have them). Can you show me evidence of government intervention that was successful to it's aim, done at a reasonable cost for the objective and did not lead to endlessly spending more money by the featherbedding bureaucracy created to solve whatever the initial problem was? The point being.....why do you think government will solve the problem?.....they have a massively bad track record! Here's something from the former publisher of the Times of London and the Jerusalem Post, among other rags. BTW, the author supported our ridiculously incompetent socialist PM, Justin Trudeau, so he is no knee jerk member of the Alt Right. http://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-the-absurd-collusion-delusion-goes-up-in-smoke-at-last
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The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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"IF" Forrest was the First Grand Wizard of the KKK (Which is very highly debatable) then they had existed for some time without. Forrest was not in on the forming of the KKK. In its early years, it actually had some Black members. When Forrest saw it had deviated from its goal & was becoming violent he "Dis-Banded" it.
After the war, Forrest was tried by both a Military court (USA) & Civilian Court (USA) on charges from Fort Pillow. Both courts returned a "NOT GUILTY" verdict. "IF" indeed anyone was shot while attempting to surrender it was on an individual basis, not a unit as such. Fort Pillow had been offered terms of surrender which they refused. As they were leaving the Fort to go down by the river where a steamboat was to pick them up & where incidentally they had arms & ammunition stacked They Did Not strike the flag in surrender. Forrest's men had been given orders to fire on anyone until the flag came down. After Forrest gained the fort, HE gave the orders to Strike the flag to stop the firing & thus un-necessary loss of any more lives.
"There Was No Massacre", it was Warfare. Everyone killed was a "Soldier". You want to talk about Massacre, talk about Sherman in his march across Georgia & then up through S Carolina where countless "Civilians were Murdered".
Miller/TN I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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....Here's a question I like to pose to my liberal and socialist friends (yes, shockingly, I have them). Can you show me evidence of government intervention that was successful to it's aim, done at a reasonable cost for the objective and did not lead to endlessly spending more money by the featherbedding bureaucracy created to solve whatever the initial problem was.... I may have to call bree ese on this cback. If you're looking for numbers, let's say you want to deal in facts, how would you assign success tic marks for feelings and following talking points? Just kidding, you don't get to, Bill does. Don't forget, the lowest minority and female unemployment in US history has come about by dumping the policies of that fellow that made them feel a tingle up their leg. I ain't gonna look for evidence of a tingle, would you?
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