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Nope, tingles don't do it for me. Quantifiable results do, however.

Give him a break. Bill�s just voting present.


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Contemporary accounts by survivors of Ft Pillow do not agree with your revisionist history. Nor does the true historical account of Lincoln�s attitude toward slavery agree with your, again, revisionist history. Perhaps you should read something other than that written by the Sons of Confederate Veterans. But it is clear you are a true believer and there is no point arguing with true believers. So I�m done.

Canvasback, Your question is loaded with assumptions. I'll start by citing the worst example since the war in Vietnam, namely the invasion of Iraq. You can investigate costs in dollars and lives to suit yourself.The results will be suffered for beyond the foreseeable future. As a positive example, there's Obamacare. It won't get much support on this site, but 20 million Americans now have health insurance who lacked it before, perhaps the majority of them blue collar families who voted for Trump. If Republicans had tried to improve it, it and they'd be in better shape today. But, no, they reflexively detest it because it wasn't their program, even though it really was. Now they're attempting to abolish it entirely despite having no clue what to do next. It they succeed, it will be an electoral disaster for them. Your question hinges on what is acceptable as a reasonable price. As a conservative, perhaps you bring a business orientation to the criterion. I'd remind you, government is not a business. It doesn't exist to show a profit. Nowadays. monetizing and increasing shareholder profit are the only standards applied to most every issue, especially by Republicans.

Bill, great examples. Oops, maybe not.

Let's start with the Viet Nam war. Started by a Democrat. Wildly expanded by a Democrat. Ended by a Republican.

The Iraq war. You will recall that America entered the Iraq war with overwhelming support on both sides of the aisle. This wasn't a partisan adventure, embarked upon by those damn warmongering Republicans. This was an ill-advised response to the attack on American soil that had all Americans still reeling several years later.

Obamacare. I'm not one to knee jerk against healthcare. As you know I live in a country that has a form of universal healthcare. And despite this we barely spend less per capita than the universally acknowledged crappy system the US has saddled itself with. With just as crappy or worse outcomes for the most part. Both systems as they exist encourage bureaucratic waste and unaccountable outcomes. In fact, for the most part, even our political class visits the US when timely and quality healthcare is needed. Both systems have rare beacons of light in a sea of expensive mediocrity or worse. Obamacare simply adds to the mess. Helps some and screws some others. Great fix (sarcasm there Bill, in case it wasn't obvious). That's your shining example? I rest my case.

Again with the talking points like a good leftist shill. Corporate profit is the only standard I bring to the discussion?? What I bring to the discussion is a concern for my children and grandchildren. A belief we need to spend wisely and efficiently to leave them a better country and society than the one we inherited. It has nothing to do with profitability, despite your wish to pigeonhole me. The money isn't endless, the dependence on government to solve the problem and avoid personal responsibility comes at a cost. You won't pay it but your descendants will.

The list of costly government boondoogles that do little but suck up dollars and votes is near endless. And yet, when I ask that question that I originally posed to you, all you liberals actually have a difficult time answering the question. You should take some time and consider that.

Did you read that column I posted for your benefit? You guys, Democrats, have diverted the potential good governance of your country in a misguided attempt to overthrow a duly elected president. Is that how you solve problems?

Next, I'd cite federal regulations to protect soil, air, and water, many of them initiated by Republicans. No more. My state was ravaged by the mining industry. The current administration is working diligently to undo those protections and pave the way for free exploitation of resources regardless of cost to the environment. I totally agree with you about concern for the world we'll leave behind, but the crux of the problem isn't a world where our grandchildren won't be as wealthy as we are; it's that they'll inherent a world very substantially less livable. Trump has managed to boost the economy short term. He's willing to do so at any long term expense.PS: Do you mean to mention Nixon's conclusion of the war as some king of positive achievement?

Just for the record, I Did not learn all this from the SCV. I have been a member of the SCV for a very short portion of my later life. I became a member "Because" I had learned most of this from other sources.

So, Just Where, did you get your "Revisionist History". Lincoln's statement that he felt the black People a totally Inferior Race which could not Co-exist with the White Race on equal footing in the same society came directly from his Own Mouth.

Cover it up all you want to, it's still there. Were you aware that one of the ten wealthiest Slave owners in the Entire US in the late 1850s was a Free Black? Most of the slaves which came directly from Africa were gathered up & Sold, by their "
Brothers, IE other Blacks. The color of Slavery was never Black & White, it was Green.

I am not a racially prejudiced person, I have & have had many more Black Friends over the years., for whom I hold great respect. I DO NOT hold any respect for those who are now trying to destroy our history & monuments etc of our past.

Just quickly Bill, because I am no longer at home at my computer. What would you call extricating your country from an unwinable war? Beats accelerating it the way Johnson did, wouldn�t you say??

Miller, I agree that tolerance is a thin veneer everywhere. I also agree generally of old monuments as part our history, with explanatory inscriptions, and not inflammatory in-your-face provocations to intolerance. Canada has the same challenge.

Be interesting to see how thin the veneer of tolerance is if we put up a monument to Sheridan, Sherman and Grant, with explanatory inscriptions of course, in front of every SCV post. The inscription would be short and sweet.


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