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M.D. Christian:

Thanks for calling my hand at it. That may certainly be a trait of Bayards, but most boxlocks without a Greener Safety with at screw near the head usually have a crack. Bayards may be the exception.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Lefever embedded ivory through the stock on some of his guns. It was an effort to keep the stock from splitting.

Pete

The screw through the head is factory, I have had lots of Bayards and I have never seen one (that I can remember) without the screw.
This is a unusual action for a Bayard and only the second of this type I have seen (the first was a much plainer gun). Most Bayards have a crossbolt and rib extension. Notice this gun does not have a screw for the opening lever and when you open the lever it cams back a small piece from the top of the rib. Also the action is more "square" than most Bayard models. Interesting gun.

Sorry John,

It shows up in "Bayard Les hommes les armes et les machines du Chevalier Pieper & Cie 1859-1957 par Michel Druart" page 222. We are simply not used to seeing these models 570 through 573. It is certainly the 1st I have seen. I think Bayard was taking advantage of the decimated German gun industry immediately after the war. Pieper had a much broader product line than most of his Belgian competitors. This was in part due to the early adoption of mechanization. Pieper had also developed far reaching business alliances. In addition, they were actively filling large military orders.

Pete

Thanks for the comments guys. In one of the links provided, it was mentioned that during the occupation of Belgium in WWI (by Germany), that Pieper was under German control. I wonder if this gun was manufactured by Pieper for shipment to Germany, which might explain the presence of German proof marks on a Belgian gun. The 10.16 stamp, if it does indeed represent Oct. 1916, would inidcate the gun was made during the war.

A thousand bucks does not buy much these days in a decent double. Most German guild guns which sold for $500-600.00 ten years ago tend to go for $1,500.00-1,600.00 these days. This gun is certainly worth more than that. I suspect if the seller dropped the gun reserve to $1,500.00 it would be sold. He is looking for a buyer with more money than knowledge of the guns real value or time to wait until a better priced gun comes along.

Bayard made guns in all grades and price ranges it seems. One of the more under appreciated makers so far. Kind of like a certain maker with a L in the name was 20 years ago. Might be worth watching out for a few of the better grade guns to see what they do in value over the next 20 years.

This is not only interesting but worth more than most would think. This board is bulging, at it's seams, with experience and knowledge. As a student, I am thrilled to speculate on this gun.
None has commented on my questioning the thought that this is not a torched action. It seems righteous to me.
No one has picked up on the odd appearing junction of the barrels and the breech face.
I do not think that the gun was built/finished in Belgium. It may be that the date stamp has nothing to do with the building of the whole gun.
We all know that the German gun industry was 99.9% exclusively military during this time. This leads me to think that the gun was put together, with available parts, by someone in the dark of night.
Either that or it was put together,under florescent light, here. Some ninety years later.
Best,
John

Interesting that the seller, with all the pics he took, did not include the left barrel flat.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPSSSSS !!!!!
Ignore my ranting about this gun's "odd" barrel fitting.
For some reason, the pics that I was seeing were of a totally different gun.
Thanks Dave for setting me straight.
Actually, this looks to be a very nice gun and appears to be of fairly high grade.
Most probably built in Belgium and sold in Germany.
Best,
John

Hi John,
its my fault for adding the other link,sorry to add confusion (maybe mife wife is right I do that alot).I was trying to point out out the seller's of both guns thought that that Sauer was a "professional restoration".If he thinks poorly fitted barrels and torch work are correct he certainly does not know,or will point out problems with that Bayard.I am the only one that thinks those barrels could be cut on the Bayard?Note he does not list the chokes,just the stamps.