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You were the one who brought up Zug Island, Lois. A special Shiite hole within your Shiite hole.


Best,
Ted

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Tuesday. The irony plate is half price. But, you gotta eat it all.

I'd stake my dinero on John's legal expertise-- Remember the words of wisdom from Don Vito Corleone- "One lawyer can steal more than 100 men with guns can"--RWTF

I figured King would get it.


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Not today, bub. I had a muffin for breakfast.

That's part right. Laurie Morrow is the official biographer of the Ford archives. But Dartmouth College owns the rights. Note that the F&S link does not say that they got permission from Laurie Morrow. It says they got permission from Dartmouth College. Could be that Dartmouth has designated Laurie as the person to contact for permission. But in any case, permission was secured--per the statement from F&S.

And the fact that the story is on the internet is beside the point. How about let's put a Hemingway short story about hunting on this website? Ford's dead. So is Hemingway. But putting a story on the internet without permission--assuming someone still owns the rights--doesn't mean it's LEGALLY in the public domain. What it means is that someone is putting the website at risk by NOT GETTING PERMISSION TO PUBLISH MATERIAL WHICH IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. Or how about a Michael McIntosh article that appeared in Shooting Sportsman? I'd certainly recommend contacting Shooting Sportsman before doing that. Because of the "first time North American serial rights" thing, SSM may or may not own the rights. But I'd certainly start by asking them, because if they don't own the rights, they may very well know who does. And it's very likely someone does.

The existence of the Internet does not grant worldwide permission to publish anything just because the author happens to be dead. Bram Stoker's novel "Dracula", first published in 1897, has been in print ever since. With the approach of Halloween, someone might think it a great idea to put the entire book on the Internet. The problem is, since it's still in print, some publishing company owns the rights to it. And anyone who dares to put it on the Internet is likely to find the bloody count rising from the grave to bite them on their legal necks.

It's seeming like the letter of the law is proportional to the level of passion. I was under the impression there's an obligation to ignore the little things, and fry an ocassional big fish?

A few years ago a callous "HUnter' shot my beautiful 6 mo old English pointer
out of his deer stand in the hindquarters because he was running along the fence of my property. He drug himself back nearly to the house. We took him the the vet and he did a blood transfusion from his brother to no avail and he died. The deputy sheriff and I went over the next day and confronted him and of course he lied and said he knew nothing about it. Needleess to say I was furious and sued him , but the "judge dismissed it because it was ONLY a dog. I destroyed the deer stand and grieved for a long time..

A few years back, I had 2 dogs murdered while hunting where I had permission. A setter named Lee and a beautiful little English pointer named Kim. It was right next to my own property. I heard a single shot where he got the setter and then machine gunning with a .22 automatic and on the last shot, I heard the little pointer Yelp. Unfortunately I had no gps at that time. I yelled for my dogs, I knew this man heard me. It was all grown up with multiflora rose. When I got there, they were gone. He had hidden them somewhere in the heavy cover. The man was an ex cop who got joy from killing dogs. I heard he had killed several of the neighbors dogs. A mean man who likely just wanted to kill and prob humans, but killed dogs instead knowing there would be no recourse. I made it hot in the kitchen for the man. 2 state troopers I let deer hunt investigated but when they found out he was a cop they clammed up. I hired a private investigator, a lawyer, etc. All of my efforts were to no avail. I found out dogs have no rights and are only property. The PI convinced me that if I went further after this cop, he would get even with me. Reluctantly, and in a maddening way, I dropped it. Still, I haven�t forgotten.

These are some sad and tragic stories about callous idiots who shoot indiscriminately at dogs. But several decades ago, my cousin was shot in the heart and killed on the first day of our small game season. He was hunting with his father, my Uncle, who was absolutely devastated, and never got over it to his dying day.

I never got over it either. How do you forget something like that? Andy was several years older than me, but he often took me hunting, shooting, and fishing with him. He was a good hunter, and a true sportsman who helped to instill in me a love for the outdoors. That Savage Model 220 20 ga. hammerless I've talked about here... my very first shotgun... I bought it from Andy with my paper route money, and he gave me a very good price. I still have it.

I've told the story of his death here before, and repeated it to a number of friends and co-workers over the years. About 10-12 years ago, I was relating the story of his death to a co-worker. When I got into details such as when and where it happened, I noticed that he got very pale. He asked me for my cousin's name. When I told him, he lost what little color he had left, and told me he was there that day, and had been hunting with the guy who killed my cousin. He told me how he the the first to come up on the scene, and his buddy was pacing frantically, and told him he had shot someone. He (the shooter) wasn't concerned about anything but himself, but at that point, nobody could have helped Andy.

He told me how he went to call the State Police, and guided them to the scene. He told me about the search to find anyone who he might have been hunting with, which happened to be my Uncle. He told me about them finding him and leading him to the scene to identify his dead son. And he told me about the look on the face of my Uncle. My Uncle insisted upon driving himself home to inform my Aunt and his other kids. To this day, I can't imagine how he did that.

My co-worker went on to tell me that this buddy was the one who had gotten him into hunting and shooting, because his family didn't hunt. He said that this guy often made him very nervous, because he often shot indiscriminately into the brush at noises and movements, hoping to kill a deer or whatever. That day, "whatever" happened to be my cousin, who was the young father of a now orphaned two year old boy.

Of course, an investigation was done. The shooter said that he was shooting at a turkey in a low bush. I don't know anyone who has ever seen a turkey in a low bush. I certainly haven't. However, it was ruled an accident, and he lost his hunting license for a year or two. That's a pretty lenient sentence for murder. This sort of irresponsible behavior is why we are required to wear florescent orange. My co-worker said that he never hunted with this guy again after that day.

Be careful out there. And don't worry about trivial little shit like possible copyright infringements upon the writings of a dead writer, when the intent is possibly saving the life of a dog... or a friend or relative.

buzz,
You showed remarkable control and restraint. While a dog under the law is considered property, the deliberate, willful, wanton killing of one without justification would subject the killer to punitive damages in an amount to be determined by a jury. It wouldn't be an economical suit to pursue as far as getting blood out of a turnip, but it would be one way to legally bludgeon that sick cop. Damages awarded for willful conduct can't be bankrupted. This must have been a bench trial because I don't know any judge that would remove this matter from a jury's consideration. As for criminal prosecution, this would constitute a felony under current state law where I live. If convicted, he'd never legally possess a firearm. That would be an awful thing to go through buzz and I am sorry it happened to you and your dogs. Keith, that's a tragedy to happen to your family and the suffering to your uncle, you and the other family members, can't be imagined. Gil

That�s terrible Keith. I�m very sorry for you and your family. Along the lines of rifles and hunting, I was in west Texas a couple days ago running my bird dogs to see if there were any quail (there are no birds), but I heard rifle shots near by. Opening of gun season for deer. Gave me the weebiejeebies for sure. Couldn�t get out of there fast enough. I don�t have anything against deer hunting or deer hunters, but some of those guys are nuts out there with rifles. Scary, esp opening weekend!! Howdy Gil. I was holding my Browning 20 ha when I approached the man who shot my dogs, but he had a rifle. I was worried I�d be next and got out of there in hasty fashion. Some people are just crazy. And a cop could have killed me and have gotten away with it. It was a bad situation. There�s not much worse than a bad police officer imho.