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re sleeving seams...
over ten years ago, the one and only time i paid to have a gun sleeved, i was quoted three prices:
-invisible seams $2000 -seams masked with engraving 1500 -visible seams 1000
choose visible seams...lost money on resale anyway...never did that again...
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did a search on gi for sleeved guns... heres what i came up with: https://www.gunsinternational.com/search...amp;the_order=6interestingly prices do not seem to reflect big discounts for sleeved barrels...except for the gun that i am selling, of course...
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The reason, of course, is that you are buying a gun with new barrels, which is fantastic. My 16 ga C&H has 28 in sleeved, fluid steel barrels, done exceptionally well in the UK, with only the faintest seem lines. It was also beautifully restocked at some point and rejoined by Hosford. The only original items are the side locks, chambers and rib. I essentially have a new gun, made in 1886. Its a perfect British round-body field gun for a very reasonable price. This is why one buys a sleeved gun. For those who have an irrational dislike for sleeved guns, no worries. I will enjoy shooting and collecting them.
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If you guys are lucky, Miller will be along to school you on the difference between a monobloc gun and a sleever.
I got to run a dog.
Best, Ted
To be clear Ted, I wasn't equating monobloc with sleeved. They are different. I was only commenting on the distaste many gun buyers have for a visible seam, whether through sleeving or original monobloc barrel assemblies.
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how are monoblocing and sleeving different?
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Monoblocking is significantly stronger structurally
With monoblocing the base to which the barrels are sleeved is a solid piece and stronger than chopper lump barrels cut off and attached to. So with sleeved vintage guns the foundation while not as strong as monoblocking it is still robust and capable of handling the pressures of normal use and definitely pass proof.
I pointed out monoblocking in that it is similar to sleeving in terms of seams, which is the normal objection to sleeved vintage guns
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yet, gun makers like beretta and darne make new guns with visible seams, masked by engraving...dont get what the big deal is about seams...
but then, i never got the big deal about case colors either...cept they can be purdy or ugly, depending on the eye of the beholder...
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Ed, I have nothing against sleeved bbls, though I prefer the invisible seam. Sometimes it can get you into higher grade/make of gun that you might not normally be able to afford. As for balance, it's impossible to tell how the gun felt with the original tubes, so if it swings good now,great stuff. Wall thickness will most likely be good, with perhaps longer chamber. As for case color, you are correct,they can be either.. pretty or ugly,some of yours are both... pretty ugly. franc
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most everybody would prefer invisible sleeving seams i would think...
and, as i never have recolored a shotgun frame, i have no case coloring work to discuss, purdy or udder wise...
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Ed, I have a sleeved gun (steel barrels to Damascus) and it's a very good way to save an otherwise useless gun. You may want to read this article Sleeving. Ken
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