Ed, I believe all the shotguns we're shooting were proofed either at the manufacture or at a proof house. That would take part of the first part of your argument. The second, if someone can't pay attention to 7000psi being safe, then so be it. That's like someone not adhering to the reloading manuals and their data. Does Lyman, Hodgdon, or Alliant refuse to publish data because someone will read it but reload something different ? Guess I'll just learn to ignore your childish banner.