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I would say that 20:1 is about what I experience as well. Pheasants are indeed tough in all ways. We lost one this year in cattails that I could hear splashing as he ran, but we still never found him. Just vaporized. I think that was the only one we lost, so it was a good year for us that way.


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brent: my theory re: coyote and turkey predation is based on over 50 years of personal experience observing the decline of the ruffed grouse... in addition, my hobby doublegun dealings have provided me with opportunities to communicate with fellow grouse hunters all over the country. many of them have also observed that as coyote and turkey numbers increase, grouse numbers decrease...

do you have a theory as to why ruffed grouse have all but disappeared in the eastern states from the mountains of nc to the middle of me? if so, please do share it with us old grouse hunters here, if you will...


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What, pray tell is the MMGW religion?? Never heard of it. RWTF


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man made global warming, aka: much money gone wrong?

grouse do thrive in winter when there is lots of snow...they do burrow in for warming insulation and protection from wind and predators...when it is 40 below outside, it is above freezing under a few feet of snow...

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Originally Posted By: Run With The Fox
What, pray tell is the MMGW religion?? Never heard of it. RWTF


It is the unquestioned belief in Man Made Global Warming. Unsubstantiated by empirical evidence. Taken on faith and demanding that others take the belief on faith as well.

"The Science is Settled!" When no such thing has taken place. The removal and de-funding of scientists who don't join the consensus and croak about the coming CO2 Apocalypse.

Science by it's very nature does not accept consensus. Copernicus defied consensus at the risk of ostracism by having the temerity to suggest the Earth wasn't the centre of the universe.

In the Western world, where traditional religion largely gone AWOL, it seems the secularists among us still gravitate to faith.


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Amen...heretic.

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There's a new acronym that's gaining momentum, make America meaningful again, mama.

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CB, You make an interesting example of a man who questions BS when it conflicts with your beliefs but who swallows it whole when it doesn't. Climate science is as settled as any current issue could be. The deniers are a tiny fraction of those engaged in the studies. It does happen, however, that climate change denial coincides with current conservative "thinking" because it calls into question the wholesale exploitation of fossil fuels. When it comes to profits VS. sustainability, conservatives never err on the side of conservation.

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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
....You make an interesting example of a man who questions BS when it conflicts with your beliefs but who swallows it whole when it doesn't....

You have the not so interesting ability to ignore hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
...Climate science is as settled as any current issue could be. The deniers are a tiny fraction of those engaged in the studies. It does happen, however, that climate change denial coincides with current conservative "thinking" because it calls into question the wholesale exploitation of fossil fuels. When it comes to profits VS. sustainability, conservatives never err on the side of conservation.


Tiny fraction of deniers. That brings to mind the Obama years when we kept being told that liberal democrat demographics had eclipsed conservatism and that like the Borg, resistance is useless. Polls all prove it. Then along comes the conservative revolution...Geo

I'll leave the climate science to smarter guys than me.

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