doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Ruff Grouse being considered an in danger species

All the folks who post here and who enjoy outdoor recreation must understand that protection for air, soil, and water are essential to any kind of future for our pursuits, right? Now, try to square that understanding with current presidential policy. It can't be done. As long as the only standard for measuring success is financial growth, then we can kiss outdoor recreation goodbye. Cut, dig, and drill. Let the grand kids deal with the consequences.

What a complete idiot you are Billy. There has been widespread mining, and oil and gas drilling for well over 100 years in this country. Widespread timber cutting started 3-400 years ago when the first settlers started cutting our virgin forests to export lumber back to Europe.

In spite of all this, there is still outdoor recreation and hunting. As craigd pointed out, much of the financial backing for conservation efforts has come from sportsmen, and those who backed things like Pittman-Robinson, etc.

So will you stop driving your truck and give up all things made of steel? It took a lot of iron and coal mining and energy extraction to build that and keep it all running. It was your demand that caused that... not Donald Trump. How about your guns Billy? It took mining, steel production, and wood cutting to produce the materials to build those too. Do you ever think at all before you post your nonsense?

Financial growth and meaningful employment opportunities for our grandchildren can indeed co-exist with outdoor recreation opportunities. When your anti-gun and anti-hunting Liberal Democrats manage to turn this nation into a Socialist shit-hole like Venezuela, only the ruling class will be able to afford hunting and outdoor recreation.

How do you know if I passed gas?

Where you live bill, progressives are pushing to make it easier for Montanans to get high, right? Funny eh, they come on your tv and spam you about how hard working traditional Montanans just want to sit around stoned. What's the science say, that pot is devastating high school aged Montana youth and that millions are being spent in your state to get addiction counselors and other behavior health workers into the schools that are producing your future?

Don't the facts say, and please steer me in the right direction if I am wrong, that Montana dem pols vote in lock step with the national agenda. There are some Republicans that will say things like dems come up with policies that have unintended consequences, but we know better don't we. The best way we can justify expanding Montana welfare and medicaid is to create a need, eh? But, not your grandkids huh, only the grandkids that we can hypocritically push out of sight and out of mind by throwing them a few feel good crumbs.

Craig, I know you passed gas because it appeared here on the site. If Montana kids are being devastated by MJ, it's not in the news here. What's your source? As for the est of your message, it's a scramble as usual. Try again.

Anyone with the will to see knows that Montana is covered with superfund clean up sites, eh bill? Started by those who have come before, but certainly supported by your current President. Just think, if those Montanans that mined by hand in the eighteen hundreds just parked their arses in a tofu and latte shop in Bozeman high on weed, then all your visions would have been so, eh?

Ooops, that doesn't stir your feelings like the green deal, because while there is scientific proof that we are not leaving some consequesnces to our kids, there is also proof that you have no idea if you are helping your grand children in the slightest bit, huh bill? It's completely unfair, those enviro money pit projects for little ole Montana could be redirected to expand homelessness in kali, because, after all, don't they have the votes to override your silly little hunting selfishness, sorry hypocrisy?

Awe c'mon bill. You have reluctantly admitted to some of these 'social' problems that I have brought up in the past, but you brush 'em under the rug when I poke fun at how they are related to the hypocrisy of your feelings. Long winded, but the bottom line is that if you have the will to see it, it is in plain view. I am willing to correct my opinions at any point that you are able to show me that I'm wrong, or have I already mentioned that?

Craig, We do have more than our share of super fund sites. That's how we know that cut, drill and dig aren't the future we want or can afford. That the EPA is making an effort in Butte is not cause for celebration; it's long overdue. Other sites, all over the country are being ignored. If super fund sites are just a money pit to you, or if homeless people in CA are just another one, then you've just confirmed all my worst expectations of you. Apparently you're OK. If someone else isn't, what concern of that is yours? Otherwise, I couldn't follow your garbled post. Keep working at it. One secret of clear writing is to have an idea you want to express. Get an idea.

So are you trying to say that Trump was the cause of long past environmental disasters, or that he has put a stop to ongoing Superfund Clean-Up projects?

Did you get rid of your truck, and cut the power lines to your house Billy, so that you aren't supporting mining and energy extraction and production?

And let's discuss all those other sites that you say are being ignored. I'd like you to tell us why it was OK for Obama to ignore them for eight long years, and particularly when your anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and White House. Why didn't they do some economic stimulus projects there, and try to clean up both the environment, and also clean up the chronic high unemployment that Obama told us was going to be the new normal? Was it better to waste billions of dollars on record high Welfare and Food Stamp payments?

You are a joke Billy... a brainless Democrat sock-puppet. A gun owner who supports devout Democrat anti-gunners can't be very intelligent, so we shouldn't expect any reasoned reply from you.

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Here�s an idea. Stay on topic.

My concern? It isn't any big deal, my mantra is about hypocrisy. I'm not so sure I've had any expectations of you, but haven't I 'discussed' with you about the track record of your claimed vote?

Your personal attacks against me and others you don't like don't really seem important, other than to reinforce what you believe is the ability to come together. Things are sharpening up a bit, bern or bloom, what do either offer policy wise to your great state and the nation?

My superfund example is about taking some responsibility that you lied, just kidding, about not happening. That doesn't equivocate with progressive hell holes created in recent years. Remember, wink, we like intended consequenses, if we build it they will come, never mind. In baby words, shouldn't kali have the progressive right to supersede any Montana business, because they have the ability to overwhelm you in a popular vote? And, back to what business is it of mine, please address that when you tout the benefits of bern-n-blooms nanny state. Convince me that my business is better off none of my business.