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Colonial #568369 03/28/20 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: DmColonial
For comparison, H1N1 killed 12,469 in the USA (2009)
I clearly remember the total lockdown......um .....don't you?
I don't either.


This will dwarf that. Don't be so dismissive.


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Originally Posted By: BrentD
Originally Posted By: DmColonial
For comparison, H1N1 killed 12,469 in the USA (2009)
I clearly remember the total lockdown......um .....don't you?
I don't either.


This will dwarf that. Don't be so dismissive.

Where do you get your info from?

craigd #568373 03/28/20 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: craigd
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Originally Posted By: DmColonial
For comparison, H1N1 killed 12,469 in the USA (2009)
I clearly remember the total lockdown......um .....don't you?
I don't either.


This will dwarf that. Don't be so dismissive.

Where do you get your info from?


CDC and standard disease models that fit to the data. Pretty simple stuff.


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Lloyd3 #568375 03/28/20 03:35 PM
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Craig, so far our community hasn't been hit very hard though I can't help thinking it will come. Bozeman has been the center of Montana's infection. Our governor is doing a good job. Let's hope we see a corner turned soon. Thanks, Bill


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Haven't been hearing much about it from the Great White North here. So very sorry to hear about your family James. Please keep us appraised as to their progress. Haven't been hearing much of anything useful from the mainstream media of late, and that may be the biggest challenge we all need to face here....getting credible and useful information from a trusted source. Depending on who you use to get your news of the world, you will either be scared to death or you will be guardedly hopeful about the outcome of all this. All I have to hear from somebody (that I may even only know casually) is who they get their news from. The minute I know that, I can fairly easily deduce what their political leanings will be and how they are responding to all of this. The loss of credibility of so much of the media is arguably the biggest complication we all face. Many folks I know have to essentially triangulate the news (listen or read from multiple sources) to dope out what the actual facts are on a matter. A frustrating and poor use of time for many who are struggling with the economic component of all this.

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If you haven't been hearing useful information in the mainstream media, then truly, you have your head in the sand.

Go back to your elementary biology classes and what did you learn about disease dynamics, exponential growth, minimum populations to spark epidemics.

Some of you guys are so willingly blinded by your politics that you are flatly ignoring biology. Biology doesn't follow party lines. In this case, it will kill a hyperconservative as fast as a hyperliberal.


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BrentD: The spin is so-bad now on some outlets that anything truthful is very hard to discern. I have enough of a science and work background to know when I'm not hearing the whole story. We've clearly been told conflicting things about what is working and what has not. If you think NPR and MSNBC are telling you all you need to know, then go with that and God Bless.

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Okay, you have convinced yourself you can't learn. If I have learned anything in 3.5 decades of teaching it is that I cannot teach that those that are not willing to learn.

Good grief. Go to the CDC and do your own fact checking. If you don't trust them either, then dive into the literature, and if you don't trust that, fall on your sword I guess. That's all you have left.


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BrentD: You're making me glad I'm not one of your students...

I'm not discounting the data from the CDC and I do look at that, almost daily now. It's largely the taking heads who interpret that data as well that I disagree with on so-many levels.

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That's mutual, Loyd. My students understand the math and the biology of this. They can, like most educated people, look at the data and do their own analyses. You seem determined not to. That's your choice, odd as it is.


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