doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com OT: The AR-10 follies (the AR-15 in .308)

I have numerous AR-15's in 5.56, 6mmar (Grendel necked down to 6mm) and 6.8 that I built for accuracy and an LMT AR-10 in 308. All shoot under an inch with handloads. They are a bit more difficult to shoot accurately than a bolt gun thought. Just awesome rifles. Then there are the chrome lined lightweights that shoot minute of grapefruit!

Don�t forget 30 cheap rounds available when a target of opportunity arises.

I've owned an AR-15 since working as a federal employee in Wyoming in the early 1980s. It's the early original Colt SP-1 version and doesn't have all the modifications that most of today's AR-15 (clones) seem to have. It's passably accurate and taught me a lot about the platform, the biggest thing being that I don't much care for the .223 (5.56) round (I don't much care for the springy sounds it makes when you shoot it either). I get that the .22 caliber ammo is advantageous for lots of reasons (weight & cost being the biggest) and I certainly don't begrudge anyone for enjoying theirs, but it hasn't seen the light of day here now for well over 20-years as it doesn't suit my "needs". This .308 version is a different case altogether. It strikes me as a "serious" rifle that offers all of the usual utility that any .30 caliber rifle does. I'll likely never hunt with it because it looks so non-traditional, but....you never know. People own firearms for all sorts of reasons, but mine are mostly "tools". I appreciate that some are more "artistic" than others, and that some have a pretty fantastic history that I have come to really enjoy. But in the end, the ones I actually use fit me very well and then... fit a very specific purpose. It gives me very little joy to own something like this AR-10, but it does give me a certain amount of peace.

Not on an AR platform but I have been thinking of building a
25-45 Sharps with a 1-14 for 75 grain bullets.

A Sig should shoot better than that unless you are using crappy steel case ammo or ammo not suited to the barrel's twist rate.

As to the noise, that is typical of the AR-15/M-16 platform.

It's popular because it is fairly easy to shoot, normally fairly accurate out of the box and modular, so you can do all sorts of things to the gun or set up multiple uppers in different calibers and configurations.

Having said all of the above, the AR reminds much of the Glock, a very good tool, but very bland and boring, it's just a thing.

I happen to know where an FN/FAL Match resides. (imported by Browning). I agree issue sights are pretty crappy. Somewhere in my sight box is a base that allows use of a Olympic or Palma rear sight. FAL's are Hell on brass.

I built one for accuracy. It is my most accurate rifle and I like the mild recoil. Oddly, it really likes 150 gr core-lokts which isn't what I would consider high-end ammo. Unfortunately, like most of my rifles, it is just too heavy for mountain hunting.

My initial foray into the world of .308 battle rifles was a PTR-91, a fairly respectable (and affordable) clone of the H&K-91. I did a fair amount of work on it over time and... in the end it was a fairly decent unit. It was not, however, truly ambidextrous (which something I've come to rather appreciate). Mr. Nelson, if you think FN-FALs are hard on brass, you should see the mess that a delayed-roller blowback action makes out of a piece of brass. Not hard to appreciate the popularity of steel-cased stuff after that unit.

Fluted chambers! Arrgghhhh