FD, The descriptions you provide are incomplete. Nobody can interpret what you've written unfortunately. You must figure out how to point a cell-phone camera at the gun, take a picture and download it...then get it into a format you can post on this board. Otherwise, it's pretty useless. I really enjoy looking at and researching French guns...there are 5 or 6 of us here who have some expertise. But this is extremely frustrating. Gene

Baluch are not Brahui, Brahui are Baluch