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Ted, If you're willing to look into poverty as a social issue, do some reading of works by Earl Shoriss. Poverty nowadays might not be so onerous if it were widely shared. Incredible wealth along side destitution makes it intolerable for those who have been excluded from the opportunities we take for granted.
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....where the violence happens. I want to assure you that it doesn't have my support. But I'd like to remind you that high- crime neighborhoods with histories of police misconduct are ghettos where there are few jobs, poor schools, bad water, bad food, and seriously limited opportunities. Poverty breeds criminal behavior. Until we can improve people's chances to make decent lives for themselves, we will perpetuate our crises. Why would anyone live in the area you mention? Neither you nor I would. No one would who had a choice. Everybody has to live somewhere though, and if you're unfortunate enough to have been born there, it's damned hard to escape. A great deal of this country was built by slave labor and looted from native peoples. Many of our social ills today are the consequence of that history. Well Bill, with a friend like you, the ghetto folks dont have half a chance, eh? Before the wuhan debacle, your President achieved the lowest black unemployment in US history. Seems if given a chance, most folks prefer to work for a living rather than stand in one of your hand out lines, or is that not ghetto enough for you? Yes, you condone the criminal behavior. Just because you dont condone the criminal, does not mean you are not rubber stamping the politicians that you vote for. You know, the idiots whore force feeding their constituent your kind of hypocrisy? Havent we discussed the ghettos of Montana? They arent suffering from bad water, just really good drugs, eh Bill? Imagine having to wait to get high because the no work benny check isnt due till tomorrow? You built it, cant you see that they will come?
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....If you're willing to look into poverty as a social issue....
....Poverty nowadays might not be so onerous if it were widely shared. Incredible wealth along side destitution makes it intolerable for those who have been excluded from the opportunities we take for granted. Why can you share the tales of over spending on a rifle due to personal greed for more toys, and lecture others on redistribution? Could it be a form of hypocrisy, or would you share how you can justify that last 03 purchase? Five hundredish a month for a modest apartment rental could have housed a needy family for six months? No? Why not?
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C raig, you seem to think that politicians cause poverty, at least liberal ones. The old canard that welfare breeds dependency is one cliche that needs to be debunked. Try living on current welfare benefits. People our age lived in the best time, economically. Jobs were plentiful. The middle class was rising. We are the benefactors of that set of circumstances. It's not the situation now, pandemic aside. The massive shift of American wealth to those at the top of the pyramid has stranded millions of workers who don't happen to be hedge fund managers or whiz-techs. To quote one of my favorite conservatives, "it's that giant sucking sound..."
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Ted, If you're willing to look into poverty as a social issue, do some reading of works by Earl Shoriss. Poverty nowadays might not be so onerous if it were widely shared. Incredible wealth along side destitution makes it intolerable for those who have been excluded from the opportunities we take for granted. Your tribe has always claimed it had the answers for the poor. Washington DC has not had a republican mayor since 1910. Pick your favorite US, third world, burning, looted, shithole, bill, it has been under progressive, leftist leadership for at least my entire lifetime. Your tribe owns it, bill. You never had any answers, you dont now, It was never anything but promising a gravy train for everybody if you elected them again. You take the focus off your tribes failure by making it about classism, just another form of discrimination, but, one that is OK in your tribe at the moment. Nothing you parrot has worked. It never will. Best, Ted
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Wow! Sounds like California....you know...that bastion of conservative Republican politics.
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C raig, you seem to think that politicians cause poverty, at least liberal ones. The old canard that welfare breeds dependency is one cliche that needs to be debunked. Try living on current welfare benefits..... Since Im not going to try, lets imagine? Whats the typical unemployment rate on a typical mt reservation? Do their ballot boxes have a R option, they do run a hundred percent dem dontt they? Do all of the on rez residents get magic paychecks from the gov? No? Say a few hundred thousand acres were dumped on my lap, would I trash the cell towers, walk livestock through the free housing and sell parcels to whitey? How about do you think I would sell off mineral and rights water rights off to whitey? Do you think I would be more likely to open booze joints or would it be easier to allow interstate and international drug trafficking? How about the gals, do you think I would smack around the young ones, maybe leave a few dead in roadside ditches? Nope, I couldnt live on welfare, but weve created some good examples of of folks thatre more that happy to exploit those wages, eh? And, why not they have time on their hands, eh? Oh Im sorry, did I leave out the scum white folks setting up those little camps in GFs, bozo, Missoula. Great plan Bill, when do you cough up your fair share?
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Craig, You're good at recognizing the symptoms, but when it comes to diagnosis, your inclination is to blame the patient for being ill. Of course reservation unemployment is high; there are no economies there. Those few hundred thousand acres are pretty desolate for the most part. Every social problem exists there, just as they do in urban ghettos. Poverty destroys people. Period. No minority in this country pissed away a legacy of prosperity in favor of destitution. People who get trampled on suffer. Where is the mystery in that? As for the homeless, are you saying Democrats make housing unavailable? You need to have fewer opinions about topics you don't have a clue about.
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Craig, You're good at recognizing the symptoms, but when it comes to diagnosis, your inclination is to blame the patient for being ill. Of course reservation unemployment is high; there are no economies there. Those few hundred thousand acres are pretty desolate for the most part.... Wrong bill. Montana reservation land is some of the most beautiful and fertile in the state, well except for the burned out rusty cars. What you call desolate, a rancher calls perfect. Why would a tribe elder sell a tract to a small rancher on the rez? How come the rancher makes a go of it and the rez kids dont ask him for work, they break into the sheds and barns and steal chit? The resources are amazing, the motivation is equally amazing. Hay, grain, cattle, maybe oil, casinos sans intimidation and pilfering, those folks could kick some serious tail if they wanted to.
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....You need to have fewer opinions about topics you don't have a clue about. You need to fish around behind the recliner and pick up the remote batteries. The world isnt all tofu and lattes. I hope you have your .257 Roberts dialed in, the meth head with the snaggly teeth wont care, I do.
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