Bill,

Steve had the prototype in his office, I believe. I know you could have bought it for around $4,000. If we're talking about the same gun, it was a grade 4 20ga., Italian,DT, with extractors.

Of course, for $4,200 (less your discount) you could have had a custom 4E gun made to your specs with ejectors.

I think we both know these guns were steals. The quality of these guns was better than the Fox at the time and less money. Remember, the Fox had a cast receiver. This has since changed. I don't think you can get that same gun for less than $7,500 today.

From a design standpoint, I know Gunter Pfrommer much prefers the design of the Ithaca and he worked on both guns.

I think, from an aesthetic view, the ICD is much nicer than the original NID. The modern metalurgy means that the gun, with no design modification, has to be stronger and more durable.

I've put tens of thousands of rounds through my guns and they are still functioning flawlessly.