Federal Paper 12 shells are hard to beat for the 12 gauge. I have thousands of them. It seems they were the shell of choice several years ago by the Olympic teams for practice. They had them by the tens of thousands. I laid in a lifetime supply. Nothing says classic hunting better than the smell of Red Dot in a paper Federal hull on a crisp morning. I cut them down to 2 1/2 and 2" for special needs. They load great and just look right in a double gun.