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CZ, I choose my words as I do, just as you do with yours. I hold no character judgement against you for being forced to associate with a screen name such as an nca, but it is also not lost on me that you both vote in lock step.

In a world where the choices are binary, there is a whole lot of latitude on either side of center

Don�t ever think that I�m not fiscally conservative or that I believe in guaranteed incomes guaranteed outcomes or a life without risk.

My world works best when there is order. When there is a plan.
I want everyone to be a taxpayer and I want our tax code revised, to better reflect what income actually is.

I don�t want healthy functional Americans devalued due to lack of access to basic healthcare.

I would prefer that access to primary care was so normal, that no Americans even had toThink about it.

We consider schools to be a public good. I don�t understand why we don�t see a healthy populace that way. I think it�s more valuable.

Reagan used to say, that we really didn�t need more tax laws, we needed better compliance with the ones we have. And then later in the Clinton administration a rising economy brought a balanced budget due to rising revenue and constraint on spending growth.

People have either forgotten the first part, or have completely chosen to disregard the second part, and I don�t like what I�ve been seeing on the spending side of things.
But as long as the people at the top are getting theirs, nobody seems to care anymore.

Craig, The conviction that folks who pay little or no taxes take undue advantage of publically funded health care is destroyed utterly by their health metrics. Your position is nothing but the consequence of conservaturd resentment at being taxed for anything you and they don't personally benefit from.

Alrighty.

CZ, I believe some substantive component was lost, but I don�t mind. It could be obvious though that getting what we want is not always going to happen. For instance, I suspect you are both relieved and grateful, that you don�t find yourself thinking about using a public health clinic for your needs and wants. I did mention skin in the game, because I believe all people should apply some thinking to the healthcare that best fits their situation, not entitlement to ease.

Funny you should mention access to care, and then bill chimes in. He knows that many recipients of Montana�s Indian health services health care get compensation for travel expenses. Do you think they are thinking of efficiency and from an appreciative point of view. Or, do they want a referral hundreds of miles away, so the whole gang can load up and spend the day shopping when jr gets his well child check up?

On a hunt and out on the road, I honestly do appreciate the waitress in the diner and cashier at the convenience store, some more than others. And, I firmly believe they should have access to healthcare, but not in the chaotic manner that Obama threw money at feel good projects, and biden wants to perpetuate.

If you are a business minded person who values some order and accountability, you would be appalled. Just ask bill for an honest assessment.

Irrelevant, because we won't see the SCOTUS decision until next summer.

Even without expansion, the ACA is not sustainable from an actuarial standpoint. If it is to continue, even in its present form, tax increases will be required. Biden is inclined to make that happen. Medicaid and the ACA are two distinctly different kettles of fish, different economics, different philosophic and political perspectives, different regulatory structure. If you want to see what Medicaid expansion really looks like, examine MediCal in California. It is a giant sinkhole for tax dollars. The health care system in this country was broken before Obama changed it. It is still broken, just in different ways. I'll give Obama credit for trying to do something. I'll blame him for blowing the opportunity.

What brand of beer? Warsteiner

And as a Catholic as well, I want the SCOTUS big-9 to shit-can the Rove V Wade disaster. With the last two confirmed Justices being Catholic, perhaps that will get it done--as Anton Scalia would have wished-- RWTF

How can this discussion not be political?

Democrats who voted in Obamacare took my health insurance away. That policy was likely a Yugo policy, but, I could afford it, $2600 or so, a year, and it worked for my little tribe. Since my employer had less than 50 employees, when he was informed that it didn�t meet the democrats standards, he simply got rid of it. You are now on your own. It didn�t meet the minimum standards for neonatal and well baby care. My wife, and I, both in our 50s, didn�t need that, but, that didn�t matter.

After trying to get ahold of MinSure, to buy a policy from them for about 6 weeks, literally days on end of being on hold, and no returned emails, I got through. I told them I lost my insurance and needed a policy. OK, 20 minutes in, I have a line on another Yugo policy, new price is $600 a month. State perfunctory asks me do I have a wife that works? Yes. Does she have access to a family policy? Well, yea, but, it is $30,000 a year, and has a $10,000 deductible. You can�t but a MinSure policy if you have access to anything else. Tough shit. End of story, she hangs up on me.

For a year, my wife worked 160 hours a month, for that policy, and $90 in wages a month. Frosting on the cake is I�m a criminal if I don�t buy it. I found an employer after a year that had a successful small printing company, He beat my former wage by a buck or two, and allowed $2100 a month for health insurance. Where he got that money from, I haven�t a clue, but, he owned everything, and had been in place as a family shop for 50 years. About $250 a month on top of what he allowed got me another Yugo policy.

Did I mention we could have really, really used the $30K the new policy cost a year?

When a democrat shows up at my door, the first thing I ask is if they support socialized medicine, and the disaster that is Obamacare. To a one, they say yes (lockstep thinking on the left) and then I give them this story, and inform them the only reason they will leave my property under their own power is because it is against the law for me to kill them. I tell them they are thieves, and they stole food from my child�s mouth, clothes off his back, and caused this family hardship and suffering.

Given the chance, I�ll extract revenge. Now, get out of here. Word must have gotten out. None showed up this year.

Europeans who crow about how wonderful the health care system is have generally never had to use it. People with a disorder like cancer will often give you an earful about endless waits and rationed care. I�m pretty sure it was (not positive, but, it was an Englishman who lived here and worked on guns) Kirk Merrington who told me, at his age, in England, his leukemia would not have been treated with the state insurance program, and he thanked his stars he was here, and not there.

Best,
Ted

Ted, Your personal story is unfortunate, but it is not universal. I can't say I blame you for being bitter. At this same time though over 20 million Americans have health insurance under the ACA. Insurance companies, and Republicans, now understand that they cannot refuse care for pre-existing conditions. Trump has promised for 5 years to replace it with ???? There is no Republican alterative, and the reason is that, under current circumstances, there is no other way to fund health care for all Americans. As for Europeans feeling unhappy with their systems, their national health statistics prove those systems work better for their people than ours does for us. Even Trump was surprised at how hard it is to devise another approach. It's high time in this country to drop health care as a political issue and reframe it as a n ational obligation, a citizen's right to basic service and not a commodity for sale to any who can simply write a check.

Foxy, do you remember that little thing about separation of church and state? Since when does a single religion get to dictate morality to all Americans? Dunno about you, but I for one disapprove of raping little boys.