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My theory is that the long 150 Lyman 48 was made for use at the longer ranges then fired in competition. I believe that the slide was made longer than needed so that when set at the longer ranges the slide would still be in full contact with the base. This would give you the longer ranges but still have a rigid sight.

Mr. Foral wrote an article on the 48 I think I need to review it or get him over here.


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I only wanted to cover the development of the #48 in my 2007 Gun Digest article; its usage was another matter. The popular Long Slide was intended for the long range military Springfield matches. Thousand yard competitions were common, and some civilian clubs held 1,200 yard contests. When Townsend Whelen published his glowing evaluation of the new Lyman in February of 1912 (OUTERS BOOK) he included elevation and windage dope ( 30-1906 150gr, 2,700fps) out to 1,000 yards. Hope this adds some clarification.

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Thanks Jim,

I'll have to dig out the TW article and set a 150 at a thousand yards and see what it looks like.

I just finished your Gun Digest "The West and the Gun" good job as always. The Amber will go this year to the best S&W article ;-).


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I'm reporting in to say I've located the 48 I needed and in the process learned some new details about them.Thanks to all who put in a note. Michael, you might be able to comment on my initial question: Is it possible/ likely/ certain that Griffin and Howe left hand conversions were done by Sedgley or vice versa?


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I don't know any connection between G&H and Sedgley. I have seen about any combination that one could think of like a G&H with an Owen or Shelhamer stock, a Niedner barrel or what have you.

Not unlikely that if G&H would not do a left-hand conversion the customer could have had Sedgley do it.

Some pictures might help, or not.


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A litle more info. Here's a pic of the 2 main types of prewar elevation knobs. The taller one is the target version and the shorter one has been reblued, the portion with the division lines is always left in the white from Lyman.

Here's another pic showing the 2 types of elevation click detents. The earlier style is on your left while the later style is on the right. The earlier sights used a spring-loaded ball detent in the main elevation slide that clicked into the holes you see in the knob's bottom. The later sights used a wavy O-spring (2 different sizes!) with internal ears, that clicked into the radial grooves seen in the knob on your right. Both of these styles also used the early elevation screw that was captive at its bottom end.

Next up is a pic of the 2 styles of Lyman clicker springs. The wavy O-spring on your left came in 2 sizes and they are not interchangeable (prewar/postwar), both sizes are for the elevation adjustment only. The oval 3-hole spring, also wavy, is for the windage and is common to several other Lyman models in addition to the 48. AFAIK this spring's design remained the same throughout all 48 production.

Repair of the prewar 48 is complicated by the fact that, although the parts may look interchangeable from the outside, frequently they differ internally either in screw pitch or spring size/design. Both elevation and windage screws, for example, were made with left-hand AND right-hand threads at different times in the sight's production!

As you can imagine, the windage knob and screw are almost always the first casualties of any dropping-type accident.

I'm always seeking Lyman sight parts for repair and restoration of these old sights, both the model 48 and their various tang peeps. Will buy/trade for yours or sell/trade you mine. Also Lyman tong loading tools, dies and parts.
Regards, Joe

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Good discussion on the aperture sights.

I thought that this would be good for review.

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Oh, for the days of Petrov and Steele...


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Yeah.

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Do we have a current member who is carrying on with this body of knowledge?

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