Chisels, I don't know about #4. I'm only aware of the Fox in the article and the Winchester 21 in the other room, now the P, no, not the American P, it was from the UK. What was #3? Mr. Spooner implied that there was a covey of them roosting right down the road from the Vintagers site, maybe in St. Michaels, MD. Maybe it was you that made that implication, I don't remember. The gun at the show came from out of town. Murphy