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Looks like Liège mechanic H. Giltay was pretty prolific during the period?


Serbus,

Raimey
rs

Took some photos during my lunch.
The water table has no markings.


Here are some close ups of the barrel markings. This is the 12 ga barrels.





Here are pics of the other barrel. 12 ga one side and the other a rifled barrel with flip up sight and the front bead which appears to be adjustable for windage.

Ah, I bet the rifled tube is for a solid projectile version of the scattergun cartridge. Is the rifling straight or helical(for want of a better term)?

Looks like a monogram on the standing breech. Could you pleasure us with a pic of it?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

With the >>Perron<< proofmark, it was made in Liege.

Looks like the inspector's mark has a crown so that puts it circa 1877.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

The rifling is helical



The standing breech has no markings. I think that you see where the welding line of the insert for a better word or fake dolls head if that makes sense.







Regards,

Steve

Are the hammers non-rebounding or rebounding? That too would narrow the date too.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

They are rebounding. Interesting though is that the Perron marking is on the barrel that has the rifling on the left and smooth bore on the right. The other barrel does not have that marking.

Regards,
Steve

Not really sure but on those early central-fire breech-loaders, there was only a single proof on one tube noting proof of the whole lot? I believe that changed with the 1888 rules. If not in 1888, then for sure in 1891 followed by an addendum in 1893 forced by the hand of the Germans.


>>A Lefaucheux double-barreled shotgun would then carry these marks

a) temporary proof mark for single barrels, the intertwined EL.

b) the final proof mark of the barrels, already regulated and soldered, the ELG in "an" oval.

c:) after fitting the barrels and fitting the action, the finishing the gun, the Perron, the final proof mark is applied.<<

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

But I would have expected to see it on the water-table, but that may have been a later rules change?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Thank you for all of the information! How can you keep this all straight?
I appreciate all of your the time with my gun. It’s not a high end gun but it has taken me on a journey of learning.

Thanks again for all of your help and if you think of anything else, don’t hesitate to post.

Best regards,

Steve