Might I just add that Darne's are just plain cool. I have several different makes of double barrels and like them all but Darne's have always been higher up on my cool list of guns. One of the things that draws me to them is the fact that they are generally light weight. I have read a lot of grumbling about how much recoil Darnes have and that is because as Americans we think we have to shoot magnum loads all the time and pound our shoulders regardless of what gun we are shooting. My new 20 gauge Darne patterns 7/8oz loads of 7.5 or 6's very nicely at 40 yards with little recoil. If you think you need mangnum 1 1/4oz loads, well your going to have to deal with recoil. Choose the proper ammunition for the gun like is done in England and recoil issues will go away.