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Below are some of the markings that I found on the gun. You all have answered some of them, marked with "Answered!". The unanswered questions marked with ***.
I see markings: ***WK engraved in script lettering might stand for Wilhelmer Kaelber, a barrel maker in Suhl? ***Krupp. Steel for the barrels? Bl. G. Might be for Blei Geschoss (plain lead bullet)? Answered! Crown over N. Nitro powder proof? Answered! Crown over U. Inspection proof mark? Answered! Crown over W. Choke-bore barrel mark? Answered! 16 inside a circle. 16 gauge shot gun? Answered! 8,7 mm. 8.7 mm shell size? Answered! 72. Casing size? Answered! 13 gr. bullet size or powder load? Answered! Hilmar Folker. Dealer or seller? Answered! Possneck. Location in Germany? Answered! ***KD. ? ***F. ? ***G. ? ***B. ? ***Several German Eagles. ? ***Several Diamond shapes with something across the face. ? ***2899. Serial #? What manufacturer's serial #? Thanks again for all of the help. Carter
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Carhub48 Actually, the relationship is a happenstance. The 8,7 is the bore (not groove or bullet) diameter, as measured by the proof house, using plug gauges (in o.1mm steps). The 72 is the length of the case, without regard to shape or diameter, and was also applied by the proof house. The 9.3x72R is the nominal cartridge for which the rifle was chambered. From the implementation of the 1891 proof law in Mar.1893, bore diameter was marked by the proof house in gauge measurement (similar to shotguns) and the case length was not marked. Your gun would have likely been marked 118,35. Because this was confusing, the old system was improved and after about 1911 until the proof law of 1939, the system on your gun was used. In accordance with the '39 law, it was required that the gun maker clearly mark new guns with the commonly used name of the cartridges they were chambered for. This seems to have cleared up lingering confusion. Mike P.S. Carhub48, Most of the random letters and shaped marks are individual's touchmarks. They identify the work done by each, for payment as well as establishment of responsibility. It is pretty much a lost cause, at this late date, to identify these workers, with any certainty, since there was no centralized record of these marks kept. Established manufactures of some components, such as barrels sometimes used recognizable marks, however. Mike
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KD possibilities: Karl Diem(patentee für Sicherung der Abzugstangen) Kulius Dill Karl Dörsch(lower probability) And of course there may have been others. Serbus, Raimey rse
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Imperial Eagles are almost always associated with 1st or 2nd proof efforts. >>Several Diamond shapes with something across the face<< K in a Rhombus is a noted tube maker from either the Kelber or Klett family of talented mechanics. serbus, Raimey rse
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For any of those looking for a free, quick & easy posting site for now, imgbox.com looks to be it.
Click >>Upload Image<< and select an image from where you have stored it.
Then click >>Family Safe Content<<, >>800X800 pixel<<, >>Don't Create a Gallery<< and then >>Start Upload<<.
Copy the >>BB Code<< in the right upper hand area after loading & paste the string of characters into a window here, and voilà images.....
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Raimey, I trust that the starting images here were just not the greatest and the upload to imgbox didn't further degrade them? But, thanks for the instructions.
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Indeed the fotos were coarse, plus the 800X800 pixel selection, and when one enlarges chaos or noise you at least get Chaos^2 or Noise^2.
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For some reason the hosting site doesn't appear to fancy the XX.jfif file format?
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